Live data from Hacker News

Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

bloomberg.com

281–290 of 499 posts

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to my fancy math based on numbers from Johns Hopkins COVID-19 dashboard[0][1], we're closer to a 7% mortality rate [0] direct link: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594... [1] posted to HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22475060

First, you are conflating mortality rate with case fatality rate (CFR). Mortality rate is deaths with respect to a total population; CFR is deaths with respect to diagnosed cases. Second, since this is an ongoing outbreak the CFR is a moving target. Your calculation assumes the ratio of deaths to recoveries remains what it is now for the ~40k active cases. However, the CFR by that calculation has been steadily fallin…

Thanks for the clarification!

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#282
post #51

For those saying the Fed is running out of ammunition, study what the Bank of Japan has done. It owns close to 80% of the Japanese ETF market currently, with no end to the expansion of balance sheet in sight. After buying long treasuries, it's not unreasonable to imagine the Fed buying stocks, either individual issues or ETFs. The President would be for it, and it would be hard to drum up any opposition to it in cong…

God help us all if our central bank starts taking cues from the Bank of Japan or the ECB and their zombie economies. Our inability to suffer short-term consequences for long-term prosperity is a real issue that we as a country need to figure out how to solve. (Can you solve for human nature?) The fed shouldn't have made cuts in 2019 at the height of the market, we should have let failing banks fail, we need to start…

Man, amen. This is the worst one yet because it was clearly political. If this wasnt an election year, theres no way we get a .5% cut

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#283
post #194

From what I gather after spending more time than I'm willing to admit listening to every finance talking head out there, the consensus on the street seems to be that this will result in a temporary market recovery followed by the continued deterioration of stock prices given that fiscal or monetary* policy can't really affect the real economy in the near term* i.e. if the supply chain is indeed impacted due to COVID-…

I see 3 things driving the market now. An overdue market correction, reasonable reaction to supply chain issues and an irrational reaction to the virus. A temporary boost to the market gives more time for the true long term impact to the supply chain to play out. It may turn out that the boost only gave a short respite but it may also turn out that it saved the market unneeded turmoil. A short term boost also gives p…

People keep saying that responses are irrational but we know next to nothing about this virus. We don’t have a firm understanding of how deadly it is, how long it takes to incubate, how easily it can be spread, or what long term damage it could do to people who recover.

There are reports of kidney damage and damage to fertility among men who have recovered. Are those true? We don’t know. We have no idea.

The rational response to a deadly virus with so many unknown factors is to hunker down, avoid mass gatherings, and exercise other precautionary measures. These precautionary measures mean fewer people traveling, going to the movies, going out to dinner, attending conferences, etc. There is nothing the Fed can do to blunt this reaction besides pour money into Coronavirus research and hope they find a vaccine or remedy before it drags the economy into a recession.

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#284
post #254

What if the reaction to the coronavirus is worse than the virus itself?

I agree to an extent. From a utilitarian standpoint, the economic damage caused by the virus is not outweighed by a mortality rate of 0.2%. That being said, coronavirus has the potential to become worse (more infections -> more mutation -> potential to mutate more aggressively or more resistant to our research) so minimizing infections is probably a good idea. Not to mention, people tend to get angry when you start assigning objective tangible value to human life.

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#285
post #247
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The incubation period is not 25-30 days. The mean incubation period is 5-6 days, range 1-14 days. Source: Page 12, paragraph 2. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-chi...

> The incubation period is not 25-30 days. The mean incubation period is 5-6 days, range 1-14 days. There are case reports of it being far longer than 14 days: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-incubation/c... > A 70-year-old man in China’s Hubei Province was infected with coronavirus but did not show symptoms until 27 days later, the local government said on Saturday, meaning the virus’ incubation peri…

I mean is there a chance they were infected later? E.g. they thought source A caused it but in reality Source B ten days later did?

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#286
post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if the supply chain is indeed impacted Is there any question? 80% of the Chinese workforce has been sitting on the sidelines since mid-January. Production is just barely ramping up and I don't think we'll see full capacity until well into April, provided that COVID19 is truly contained/managed. Edit: not sure about the downvotes. Here's a source about Foxconn production: https://twitter.com/onlyyoontv/status/123485…

And, if they try to ramp up the production too quickly, will we see a return of Covid-19 due to people in close proximity again?

Not if a substantial number of them now have antibodies against it.

More realistically, even if enough of them have antibodies to create herd immunity. (Via making it impractical for the virus to transmit to a vulnerable host)

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#287
post #72
post #51

For those saying the Fed is running out of ammunition, study what the Bank of Japan has done. It owns close to 80% of the Japanese ETF market currently, with no end to the expansion of balance sheet in sight. After buying long treasuries, it's not unreasonable to imagine the Fed buying stocks, either individual issues or ETFs. The President would be for it, and it would be hard to drum up any opposition to it in cong…

What would be the endgame here?

Just default on the debt far far down the line. Seing as how USD is still the reserve currency and they can still print, very far down the line. Keep borrowing from the future like there is no tomorrow until then, hopelly making sure the music doesn't stop playing during your political mandate period so you can get blamed for it.

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fiscal policy can't really affect the real economy Fiscal policy ( e.g. the government buying tanks) absolutely affects the real economy. The central bank doesn't control fiscal policy. It controls monetary policy. Monetary policy also affects the real economy, just indirectly.

Right. And from what I understand, even if monetary policy does not directly solve virus or supply chain issues, it can make life easier for corporations loaded with debt (there are many) which might get into trouble as the economy deteriorates.

And I think many would argue, better to let these companies die and be outcompeted

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#289

This is a big mistake. There is nothing the Fed can do revive the economy from the Corona virus, because this is not a demand problem, it is a supply problem. The economy WILL slow down because the major parts of the economic chain have been considerably affected by this virus. You cannot use more money when there is less to buy and sell. This will happen simply because whatever solution to the virus disruption will…

I am always surprised when software engineers have such strong opinions on monetary policy. Black and white statements like "There is nothing the Fed can do revive the economy from the Corona virus" aren't the best for macroeconomics discussions that rely on imperfect information and multiple related variables. Your wording makes it sound like you know more about macro than the best minds in monetary policy.

Software engineers are uniquely qualified to analyze supply chains and supply chain problems. In this case, technical analysis looks a whole lot different than the chicken bone divination stuff you see with thinkorswim or other trading platforms...

Re: Fed cuts half point in emergency move amid spreading virus

#290
post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fiscal policy can't really affect the real economy Fiscal policy ( e.g. the government buying tanks) absolutely affects the real economy. The central bank doesn't control fiscal policy. It controls monetary policy. Monetary policy also affects the real economy, just indirectly.

Monetary policy is about increasing or decreasing the money supply. The argument is that it cannot have long-term real effects because if it did we would all be incredibly rich, since it costs nothing to increase the money supply by whatever amount. Every underdeveloped nation would simply increase their money supply and poverty would be a thing of the past.

[deleted]
Post reply on HN