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Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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I frequent the Donald daily, and have never seen any anti semitic content. And I browse /new as well

Then you really aren't paying attention, or you're lying.

So you provide anecdotal experience and someone asks you for a link so you ask him "Why, are you accusing me of lying?".

Then another person comments about his opposite anecdotal experience and you call him a liar???

Btw, you are completely mistaken, Bloomberg made those stars himself, it's not photoshopped, you're just sensitive:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitis...

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The same echo chambers exist on the left. I was banned almost immediately from the Bernie subreddit for asking why he's running on a platform of getting money out of politics while at the same time being the most aggressive campaign when it comes to requesting donations. The "I am once again asking for your financial support" meme perfectly captures this.

> I was banned almost immediately from the Bernie subreddit for asking why he's running on a platform of getting money out of politics while at the same time being the most aggressive campaign when it comes to requesting donations. It seems like you were rightly banned for being deliberately obtuse. Pretending that there's no difference between grassroots small money donations and the kind of money that Sanders wants…

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Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Didn't the Christchurch shooter also mention people like Nelson Mandela and MLK? Does this mean that their teachings are irrevocably tainted now? For that matter, look at the 2017 Congressional baseball shooting - should Pelosi resign over the impact her words had? (Along with the rest of the DNC's leadership?) Point being, mentally ill people do weird shit for illogical reasons. That doesn't make it the fault of wha…

Nelson Mandela did spend thirty years in prison for terrorism and was vindicated only in hindsight. This comes back to the terrorist vs. freedom fighter conversation; looking at the rightness of the cause, the appropriateness and necessity of the methods, the power relations context, the violence carried out by the other side, and then still being very reluctant to support the use of violence to achieve a political g…

This is my impression of the comment chain so far:

The root said "The users of that forum have literally been linked to public shootings.", as part of an argument that /r/the_donald is a shithole and deserves to be banned. The reply was that all sorts of people find themselves in mass shooter manifestos, and that this doesn't imply any sort of culpability whatsoever.

You then replied saying that everyone who finds themselves in such a manifesto needs to reexamine their messaging. This would seem to imply agreement with the root - that since /r/the_donald was mentioned by mass shooters, it's bad.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Nope they shouldn't. Nobody owes anything to anybody because some random wacko liked something they once said or did. And even if you think they should, it's neither yours nor Reddit's business to enforce it.

So if person X spends years writing about how Jews are an evil conspiracy that run the world, and then someone shoots up a synagogue leaving a manifesto saying "finally I'm going to do something" and citing X, those are totally unrelated ?

Likely yes, they are. There were people murdering Jews well before Internet, TV, radio, printing and arguably even written language existed. There still are. Attributing this to a random wacko, without specific casual proof, is likely to be wrong. Of course, in some cases (yes, that case, thankyouverymuch) there's ample proof. In most cases we're dealing with on the Internet, there isn't. And a single reference by a demented individual, without further proof, can't be taken as such. Otherwise you basically pass the control of the moral norms into the hand of demented wackos - the only thing they need to do to ruin anybody is to commit some atrocity and declare they were doing it in your name. Obviously that alone can't be a proof of anything. You need to examine whether they were sincerely inspired by those ideas, where those ideas indeed intend to inspire such reaction (some people are sure TV is full of secret messages telling them to kill the President, that doesn't mean we have to shut down the TV broadcasts) and whether this reaction is something that is inherent in those ideas.

Also, there is a myriad of possibilities between "totally unrelated" and "have direct causal link which imparts responsibility". If somebody is on the left politically, is he "totally unrelated" to Lenin and Pol Pot? Not exactly, they probably share some ideas somewhere. Is he responsible for all atrocities Lenin and Pol Pot committed? I don't think many people on the left would agree to that. And here we have direct link between ideology and actions, acknowledged by everybody. You are extending it to actions of insane people which may be just using ideology to dress up their demented impulses - this is even worse distortion.

People are responsible for their actions. But if some crazy person mentions somebody in a positive sense, that by itself does not impart responsibility on the person they mention.

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I see nothing wrong with it according to my morals. Maybe you could expand on what moral system would force people to interact with trolls. And I’m surprised to hear from a self-avowed libertarian that doesn’t seem to have heard of the concept of freedom of association. The “they” in that poem refers to the Nazi government. Reddit is not a government. It is people having discussions on a website run by a company. Eve…

> I see nothing wrong with it according to my morals. Then you're blinded by bias. > Maybe you could expand on what moral system would force people to interact with trolls. The members overall aren't trolls and trolling isn't concentrated just in the T_D. Stopping all trolling is impossible and T_D mods did not encourage it in anyway. I have yet to see proof in this thread or the Reddit announcements. > libertarian t…

>> Everyone has a choice

> No they don’t

You misinterpret my point. Nobody is forced to use Reddit. It is a privilege, not a right or requirement.

> Have you ever thrown a small get together and everyone in the block called the cops because they just hate you and want to see your fun shut down? That's more what it's like it my eyes.

I disagree this is a better analogy. That would be more like Twitter/Facebook/etc wielding some power of e.g. regulatory capture to shut down Reddit.

But you do raise an interesting point. This is like the rule “if you run into an asshole on your way to work, chances are they’re just an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, it’s probably just you that’s the asshole.”

If you really have multiple neighbors shutting down your house parties, chances are much higher you were fucking up, either with the party itself, or generally in your relations with those neighbors.

Same goes for T_D. It’s much more likely they are the assholes here. Split hairs all you want, they’re getting kicked out because they just aren’t pleasant citizens of the site in the opinion of the admins, which at the end of the day, are the only opinions that matter on their site.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for thedonald.win to adhere to your moral system of fairness. Nor would I expect them to with their own site.

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Nope they shouldn't. Nobody owes anything to anybody because some random wacko liked something they once said or did. And even if you think they should, it's neither yours nor Reddit's business to enforce it.

So if person X spends years writing about how Jews are an evil conspiracy that run the world, and then someone shoots up a synagogue leaving a manifesto saying "finally I'm going to do something" and citing X, those are totally unrelated ?

And BTW, is we're speaking of t_d, I never seen there anything even close to "how Jews are an evil conspiracy that run the world". I've seen this on other alt-right places (like voat and some gab areas) but never even once on t_d. Of course, I don't spent hours every day reading every comment, so maybe somewhere in the depth of the comment trees there's stuff like that - but on a casual look I can't see anything even remotely like what you describe.

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..and "hacker" "news" continues to march towards conflating anecdotes with general trends/statistics. You are 1 American, not all Americans. Just because you don't know anyone doesn't mean there isn't anyone.

Which is why I was quite clear and specific when I said: " I don't know anybody". I encourage you to read more carefully in the future.

I encourage you to share less anecdotes on 'hacker' 'news' that are clearly extreme corner cases.

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..and "hacker" "news" continues to march towards conflating anecdotes with general trends/statistics. You are 1 American, not all Americans. Just because you don't know anyone doesn't mean there isn't anyone.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/why-dont-american... > But according to the Pew Research Center, the number of adults using Facebook plateaued in 2018, and WhatsApp user number decreased: Only 20% of U.S. adults use WhatsApp in 2019, down from 22% in 2018. This is vastly smaller than the 73% who use YouTube, and the 69% who use Facebook. The only social media network that was less popular in the U.S. was R…

20% of all US adults (hint: still millions of people) is quite a few.

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https://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/why-dont-american... > But according to the Pew Research Center, the number of adults using Facebook plateaued in 2018, and WhatsApp user number decreased: Only 20% of U.S. adults use WhatsApp in 2019, down from 22% in 2018. This is vastly smaller than the 73% who use YouTube, and the 69% who use Facebook. The only social media network that was less popular in the U.S. was R…

20% of all US adults (hint: still millions of people) is quite a few.

Perhaps, but I’d suspect they’re disproportionately concentrated in expat communities - folks who need to communicate with family/friends back home.

It’s not implausible that lots of Americans don’t know someone who uses WhatsApp. I only know one person, and they use it to talk to relatives in South America.

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It's misguided to think that T_D is about politics, because it's not. It's about identity. The politics here are incidental.

Do you think the growth in users at T_D occurred before or after Trump announced his candidacy? It is clearly a political forum. And as far as politics and identity goes, I don't think you can find two more tightly related topics other than perhaps religion.

My contention is that there is very little actual political discussion happening there. It's mostly memes, upvoting parties, and tribalism. Any talk of "libs" or "liberals" is not based on any specific policies or ideology, it's almost exclusively based on "us" vs "them"; anybody who does not worship Trump, the American flag, guns, the military, or local law enforcement (but not the FBI!) is part of "them".
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