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Post by SolaceQuantum »

RestlessMind wrote: post #239
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #231

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The approval rating doesn't seem to be much better than US Gov't[0]. Also, the US is also constantly protesting too. What do you think Black Lives Matter, the Google Walkout, the Amazon protests in NYC, the current and ongoing unrest surrounding ICE camps, and the teachers union strike in LA are? 0. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx

But the GP was trying to point out how France is much better than the US. With a better system, I would expect less protests and better approval ratings.

And I am arguing that approval ratings and protests may not be highly correlated or have causational relationships with the amount of social services.

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Post by random314 »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #144
random314 wrote: post #104

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There are certainly a bunch of freshly created accounts on HN, all corroborating each other. Very funny - can you name this 1000 person org/company.

I routinely rotate accounts to avoid identification, sorry, but I’m not willing to name the business. Timing is coincidence to my comment. I can say I have 9 years of employment at this company and I’m intimately familiar with the internal politics.

Why are you unwilling to name the business, one with over 1000 employees. It would have been understandable if the company had 10 employees not 1000. Your claims fail the sniff test.

The downvotes on my comment show pretty clearly that there is sockpuppeting going on.

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Post by bootlooped »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #269
bootlooped wrote: post #232

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I wish there were just a little better filtering/sorting on their data. I want to know what people with my years of experience, in my metro area, in my specialization are making. You can kind of get some of that info, in certain forms. If their data (the data that is already publicly viewable on their website) were in a relational database I could write a query in about 60 seconds to pluck out what I want to know.

That level of breakdown would probably make deanonymization too easy.

https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html

You can already view individual data points.

So to expand on the shortcomings: I can filter by metro area and years of experience. But the result is just the table of data points. The only sortable column is total compensation. There is no aggregate data.

What I really want to see is the histogram chart from the link below, but with the filtering results applied to it. It seems like the only thing you can do with the histogram they give you is select metro location.

https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/San-Franci...

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Post by deanCommie »

md_ wrote: post #142
nagyf wrote: post #130

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Me too. I’m working at a FAANG company and apparently I could make 100k more. I was relocating for this job and I wasn’t really prepared for the negotiation, totally screwed it up, and I think they gave me the minimum they could. Oh the bright side, it’s still a good salary for me and I earn enough for two person to live comfortably.

I’m a little surprised at that. FAANGs tend to have fairly prescribed comp systems. There’s flexibility around equity and signing bonuses, but if you told me that you were making (base+bonus) say $250k and someone at your level was making $350k, I’d be pretty surprised. This reveals one of the challenges in these comparisons, by the way: total comp can vary dramatically due not only to initial signing bonuses (which…

You shouldn't be surprised at all. The higher up you go the wider the range is.

The range for a senior SDE at my company in my city is 250-400 (according to blind).

So you absolutely can have some people making $250k and others $350k for the same position at the same company.

Having said that.......by and large.....it's deserved. It is INTENDED to be merit-based.

But how fair is that merit-based system? Are people being shafted? Absolutely. International transfers. Those that don't negotiate well, or don't know their worth.

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Post by Silhouette »

adventured wrote: post #266
noelwelsh wrote: post #233

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US median family income was $60,336 in 2017, and $71,805 in California[1]. Junior developers in Silicon Valley have starting salaries around $110000, and I've heard for new college graduates getting up to $150K. I.e. twice median family income. You cannot have these high salaries without someone else getting shafted. There simply isn't enough money for everyone to be earning like this. Whether you consider inequality…

> US median family income was $60,336 in 2017 You're comparing full-time software development income versus the literal median income (which also includes people working few hours). That's your first mistake in the comparison. The median full-time individual income in the US is close to $50,000 now. Junior developers in SV are getting $110k? The BLS numbers are such that the US median for all 1.4 million software dev…

Productivity is why US software developers can earn so much. Not because they're so much more productive in lines of code versus the rest of the world. Rather, because software developers at US tech companies produce very large economic outcomes on average.

So do software developers in many other parts of the world. The difference is more that employment is a competitive market and the market rate for a decent software developer in the US tech hubs is recognised as being much higher than most other places so people moving jobs expect higher rates. Sadly, those rates do not necessarily need to be tied to productivity in any meaningful way, and so in much of the world software developers continue to be paid far less than the value they can generate because they don't negotiate well or bargain collectively to push salaries up.

However, it's not really a fair comparison. For example, in the UK, a lot of us solve that problem by going independent at some stage. At that point, you are dealing with clients on a business-to-business basis where fees charged can be related to value generated, and if you know what you're doing and get results, you can far exceed the income that almost any salaried software development position will offer.

Similarly, there are a lot of small tech firms here that are not SV-style startups with big funding and aiming to be the next unicorn or to fail within a relatively short period. They're just a few people who've got together to take on bigger projects or invest in more infrastructure or otherwise scale up, and they're happy to be doing that indefinitely and again making better money and enjoying better conditions working for their own business than they would likely get working for someone else's.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

dangero wrote: post #138
badfrog wrote: post #128

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Diversity goals don't necessarily imply discrimination against non-minorities. There are many completely reasonable ways to work toward such goals.

The comment you are replying to mentions more than a diversity goal. It mentions a financial incentive for hiring minorities. Can you give an example of how that would not create discrimination?

It could exist in a world where people start with systemic encouragement to not hire minorities, and so the financial incentive to do so only manages to shift their practices enough to end the existing discriminatory habits.

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Post by rb808 »

Bogdanp wrote: post #3

I know these people willingly shared this information in public, but, for whatever reason, this compilation makes me uncomfortable. EDIT to clarify: what makes me uncomfortable about this is not the broad range of salaries. I don't find that surprising at all. It's gathering all this information together and associating it with people's names (and complete bios!) that bothers me. Some of them may find they want to de…

Yeah doesn't seem hard to add columns for their address, where their kids go to school and their current location.

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Post by ubercow13 »

shuckles wrote: post #197
dijit wrote: post #52

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When I was a junior sysadmin in London I earned 26k; If not for a senior engineer talking openly about salary I would not have had the guts to ask for a significant increase. At the time the very senior people in the company were earning 75-85k, and the mid-levels between 32-45k. I was fortunate enough to be taught very well, I became senior in that company in a very short amount of time, but I never got the raise th…

Not on topic, but can you point me to some information about the spending habits of someone making that much in a city which I understand is fairly expensive?

1600 take home a month

tube travel card is 150

rent for a room in a shared house in zone 2 might be 600-800

food 300-400, no eating out

Basically spending habits include not spending whenever possible and staying at home a lot.

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Post by amznthrowaway5 »

throwaway84762 wrote: post #229
wolco wrote: post #153

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Throughout my career I have only seen a desire for more women. Perhaps looking at those candidates a little more openly and giving then a chance. I haven't seen a racial aspect where whites only hire whites either. I have worked in places that only hired white/black/asian and in others that only hired white/black/indian. I have never seen a true mix of asian and indian aside from government work. I've always wondered…

Throwaway because post-Damore, as a white male, this isn't a discussion I can be publicly involved in if I want to keep having a career in tech. I've collected some of the more egregious things I've heard around women and minorities in tech. At a well-known company, while it was small, regarding hiring an office manager, the female head of HR said "I don't want to say it, but I'm leaning towards [the female candidate…

> I've also see a lot less focus on diverse racial hiring, and interestingly, at a number of companies, there are teams of 10 people who are either all Chinese or Indian. I've worked in one in my career, and it wasn't good. I obviously didn't belong.

This is incredibly common but HR and the usual diversity folk don't seem to touch on this topic much. Not being part of the in-group may result in a less-than-stellar performance review regardless of work output. Some of them purposely accumulate sacrificial lambs so they have more positive reviews to give out during stack ranking, and they need scapegoats to take the fall when the time for forced attrition comes.

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Post by scarface74 »

lavishlatern wrote: post #276
scarface74 wrote: post #270

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I can “hope” that my coworkers wouldn’t bring my name up. But I’m not putting my career in the hands of my coworkers.

Would hate to work in the kind of environment where coworkers don't trust each other. At last big tech company, people willingly added their compensation to an internal spreadsheet.

And this goes back to the old Netflix presentation. “We are a team not a family”. The minute you think otherwise is the minute that you start doing stuff “for the good of the company” and putting the company before your own priorities.
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