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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by 34679 »

dfsegoat wrote: post #4

Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…

Former Sonoma County resident from 2009-2017 here. Three break-ins in my last year and a half caused my exodus. A new skate park had been built across the street that included bathrooms and a bus stop. A homeless camp immediately sprang up in the woods behind it, and I started getting robbed.

That combined with the fact that the garden I had was 100% legal locally until the state legalized recreational cannabis and the county went for the cash grab. What Sonoma County did to their small cannabis farmers is another huge reason people are heading elsewhere.

It left me in the position of leaving or having an illegal garden that was being robbed. I can tell you that I didn't move to Northern California to grow cannabis illegally and I didn't move to the woods to get robbed, so the choice to leave was tough but unambiguous.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by GhettoChild »

blahneverdies wrote: post #37
siculars wrote: post #9

Having left NYC for Texas 5 years ago, I can confirm the grass is greener on the other side.

I'd assume that grass was brown and dead. (But no state taxes would be nice.)

It rains all the damn time on the coast. You dont even have to water your lawn and it stays green.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by goles »

GhettoChild wrote: post #217
weiming wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tongue-in-cheek comment that I've read somewhere is that folks flee Democrat-run cities due to high taxes and mismanagement and move elsewhere, but then continue voting Democrat to bring back the same policies they wanted to escape from.

What is a large American city run by republicans?

Obviously this depends upon your definition of large but Colorado Springs is the second largest city in Colorado at 713,856 in the county and 464,474 city. Has historically been republican and has recalled elected officials that voted for gun control. Colorado Springs is pretty frequently in the top running as one of the best places to live.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by GhettoChild »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #210
bnjms wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Define regressive and progressive. I see these terms used all the time but I've never seen a description that matched the words.

No parental leave, assisted suicide, sick leave, non competes are allowed, their schools leaders are religious and backwards, still fighting abortion rights, illegal marijuana, etc.

Unless those issues affect a person directly then they don't care.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by syshum »

weiming wrote: post #148
highdesertmuse wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question:do you still vote Democrat?

Tongue-in-cheek comment that I've read somewhere is that folks flee Democrat-run cities due to high taxes and mismanagement and move elsewhere, but then continue voting Democrat to bring back the same policies they wanted to escape from.

>>Tongue-in-cheek

it is not Tongue-in-cheek , democrats fail to make the connection to the policies they support and the effects of those policies.

See the polices are suppose to "fix" those problems and when they inevitably fail because socialism is not workable, they do not blame socialism they blame the execution, it just was not done "correctly", so if the just vote in the correct democrat this time socialism will work

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by Proziam »

kube-system wrote: post #267
kaikai wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you proposing that Henderson is safer than these large cities because there's less gun control, rather than other factors?

I think they're proposing that Henderson's lack of California-flavor gun-control hasn't caused it to be unsafe.

This was what I was trying to communicate, albeit not as clearly as I should have!

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

GhettoChild wrote: post #271
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #237

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So you want to create a upper middle class transient population that is mostly tech workers? Because if prop 13 is repealed..after 15-20 years of work, the retired tech employees can’t afford annual increase in taxes either. Or is this just to get seniors to leave Bay Area by making it unaffordable for them?

moving away with a million dollar check in your pocket sounds so terrible.....

Moving where? Why should people leave their homes that they built and paid for ..Human beings like their community and neighborhood where they have a support system. When you know your neighbour is just a phone call away next door, you don’t have to rely on doctors or nurses or ambulances or fire departments. As you get older, community is a great source of comfort and moral support.

People won’t realize this until they get older or have lived with older family members/friends. Older family members are also a great source of support and mentorship for the younger generation. It is not always about money.

A million dollar check won’t speak to you or hold your hand. Most of the million dollars will go to taxes and then barely paying for the next roof in a not well serviced and strange new zipcode. It’s a downgrade. Why would anyone want to downgrade their lives and walk into uncertainty when they are old and vulnerable?

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by GhettoChild »

dkwod023903 wrote: post #252

Bay Area native here. The cost of living here has always been high, there have always been a lot of homeless people, and crime used to be worse. The tech industry has metastasized, overthrown the culture, and drained the soul out of the place. The ethos and pathos of the tech industry have undergone a transformation from creation to extraction. We shot for the moon and got surveillance capitalism and the "gig economy…

so many catchphrases and clichés in this post.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by andrewprock »

xyzzyz wrote: post #259
d1zzy wrote: post #240

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As long as no Prop 13 gets voted in it should be much better than California. Everyone complaining about policies in California make it sound like Texas is perfect. I'm pretty sure it could use a lot of improvements on its policies. There are some large factors that have had a disproportionate effect on the housing problems California faces and one of those is Prop 13 so it is much better to focus on avoiding repeati…

Prop 13 does produce some distortion in the market, but much bigger problem is the sheer inability to build anything. If California had similar zoning and building rules as Texas, Prop 13 would not really be relevant, since houses would not be appreciating in value fast enough for Prop 13 to make any difference.

Prop 13 reduces the supply of housing massively. The carrying cost for any property that was bought more than 20 years ago is negligible. This reduces the incentive to sell when you no longer need the property. This in turn raises prices by reducing supply. This likewise reduces the incentive to sell. As prices go up, the incentive to allow new construction also goes down.

Prop 13 has effectively created a vicious cycle of escalating property values.

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