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Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by ewindal »

danbolt wrote: post #238
ewindal wrote: post #170

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Men are too dependent on women and work for validation for «society» to allow a broader expression of the male gender role. Those who can’t get fullfilment through their job won’t get it any easier, and I don’t see women’s tastes in men changing much.

Women’s gender roles in society has changed a lot over the past century. Do you think the same could happen to men ever?

Of course it can, but I believe the things men derive intrinsic satisfaction from are much more slow to change.

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Post by llampx »

magduf wrote: post #122
cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #104

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> Depressed, committing suicide or just doing nothing. But apparently nobody cares. We've had a decade+ of men being told they're useless oppressors, who've earned nothing for themselves, whose "time is up", and that they haven't a place in the future. Couple that with the loss of shared identity in general, the breakdown of the family, the bias in the divorce process, the disappearance of purposeful work and more an…

>the bias in the divorce process That one you can probably place the blame squarely on the conservatives for. That bias made some sense back in the old days when women couldn't possibly hope to get a job that paid anywhere near what her (now ex-)husband earned. But things are completely different now, but the court system is still stuck in the 1950s. Meanwhile, the men who complain about this bias continue to vote fo…

[citation needed]

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Post by llampx »

watwut wrote: post #232
rjkennedy98 wrote: post #50

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What about marriage? If a man makes more money and he is married is HE talking more? Isn't that income split (or in reality spent by the women)? I have never understood why data on married men is treated as if the men are single and it's their money alone.

This is anecdotal, but men I know have more expensive hobbies then women. Men are more eager to buy what they want while women save money more and feel bad about unnecessary purchases. Think gaming equipment, steam sales for games they will never play, flying, cars, tech, 3d printer and what not. Compared to that, feminine hobbies are few bucks once in a while.

> Compared to that, feminine hobbies are few bucks once in a while.

Hahah. Sorry, but there's just no way. The entire McMansion industry, the furnishing industry, IKEA, fast fashion brands and high fashion are all driven by women's business.

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

burfog wrote: post #270
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #192

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No, men decided to pay less for jobs often chosen by women.

Economically, that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. If a business pays employees more than the market rate, it will be less profitable and thus more likely to fail. If a business pays employees less than the market rate, it will lose employees to competitors and it is thus more likely to fail. Also, to say that "men decided" is pretty strange. It suggests a conspiracy, and it suggests that there are no women…

So you've apparently just proven that no discrimination exists in the business world. South Africa's native population was just too stupid to work any job, until Nelson Mandela was freed, instantly improving their skills to make them eligible for employment.

Nobody would forgo a good bread, so Germans writing "Germans don't buy from jews" on bakery windows were just making the case that the bread had, within a few years, become intolerable. Hollywood studios stopped hiring communists because communists just aren't very funny. etc...

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Post by washadjeffmad »

dooglius wrote: post #159
boomboomsubban wrote: post #106

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I doubt the exclusion of farming positions is arbitrary, the area is full of self/family employment and illegal employment that probably caused the exclusion. It does paint a false narrative though.

I think it has more to do with the fact that farm employment is seasonal.

Seasonal, migratory, undocumented, and not representative of the populations or markets this data is intended to be used to serve.

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Post by scarmig »

Ghjklov wrote: post #269
magduf wrote: post #235

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I'm 6' tall and I have trouble many times finding shirts to fit these days, because they seem to be cut for fatter men than myself (I'm rather thin). Most shirts and other tops seem to be really baggy to me.

Your best bet is to find some kind of East Asian brand(Uniqlo or H&M for example but they are fast fashion tier places so I'm not actually recommending those specifically) where smalls are actually small and fit nicely on smaller frames.

The issue with those is just that my height is small; they don't fit my shoulders, which are a snug medium.

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Post by CydeWeys »

occamrazor wrote: post #277
CydeWeys wrote: post #260

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Why does being in the military matter? Why would men in the military not count as being part of the labor force? It's a job, that you get paid for. There are plenty of other government jobs that count as being in the labor force.

Active duty personnel is counted in labour force and as “participating”, however not as a “payroll” employee.

Why though? They get paid a set amount of money per amount of time. Other federal government employees don't get exempted like this.

It seems like an unnecessary distinction to make that "excludes" men from the workforce for no reason.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

magduf wrote: post #107
danbolt wrote: post #60

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That's very true. We definitely are more lenient towards people in different ways depending on their gender, and there are a lot of relaxed social expectations that men have compared to women. Still though, I think there are dimensions of this where this is less true, perhaps in ways that men are expected to seem "confident" or "strong" or "independent" which I think can be stiffing. The typical men's section of a cl…

>perhaps in ways that men are expected to seem "confident" or "strong" or "independent" which I think can be stiffing. Yep, and women demand this too: many women's dating profiles talk about how they want a guy who's "confident but not cocky", who "makes a plan" for dates, who "takes the lead", etc. Basically, American women want hyper-masculine men who look like George Clooney (when younger), but then they sit aroun…

I find branching outside big-box stores and seeking out smaller brands will impress you - just in San Francisco, Taylor Stitch makes handsome quality clothes and Marine Layer clothes look and feel great.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by WillPostForFood »

watwut wrote: post #75
WillPostForFood wrote: post #57

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There are about 9 million stay at home moms. That does seem small to me. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/24/stay-at-hom...

That is out of 327.2 million Americans (both genders).

In case it wasn't clear, I agree with you.
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