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Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by throw_m239339 »

throw_m67657 wrote: post #262
throw_m239339 wrote: post #217

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> Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Because "legalizing it" doesn't stop sex trafficking or sexual exploitation, in fact all evidences point to the contrary, it increases sex slavery. https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/17/the-child-sexual-abuse... ?

The article paints a sad picture ...although your conclusion seems far fetched. Even marriage can be made into paid rape by the wordings of that article. AFAIK ... decriminalization allows for 1. The sex worker to approach authorities without any fear of prosecution. 2. To set up freelance sex work without pimps and brothels. There shouldn't be a debate about this. Criminalization makes things worse at the expense of…

Nothing you said is a rebuttal to my previous comment. Please argue with sources or it's just your opinion, and it's irrelevant as it doesn't answer the question of whether "legalizing" sex work decreases sex trafficking. It clearly does not according to my sources.

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Post by Doxin »

capitol_ wrote: post #129
Doxin wrote: post #101

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Making murder illegal should be mainly about preventing people from being the victim of murder. Whether or not murder is moral or not shouldn't really be relevant. We've decided that people have a right to not be murdered for whatever reason. The only thing the law should then be concerned about is how to prevent murder. Using the same reasoning to outlaw prostitution is harder. Sure you could argue people have a rig…

> prevent people from being prostitutes against their will The important part here is if you include economic factors into "against their will" or not.

Oh definitely. Any form of coercion counts as against your will in my book.

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Post by saddestcatever »

commandlinefan wrote: post #257
jandrese wrote: post #176

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Not to be too mean here, but perhaps the OP doesn't have an easy time finding willing partners in the traditional dating scene. Maybe they have the kind of look that makes women swipe left.

> the kind of look that makes women swipe left. I'm too old for dating apps, so I've never used one, but don't nearly all women swipe left (that is, reject) something like 80-85% of men on these apps?

I don't have the numbers on hand, but it's likely even more drastic.

The original blog post has long since been deleting (https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0...), but according to one of the OKCupid founders:

> [Women] rate a whopping 80% of men on the site as ‘below average’.

You can imagine that people aren't swiping for "average", so the selected percentage would be even less.

Link: https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/

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Post by throwno »

woah wrote: post #271
throwno wrote: post #236

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Tinder: LinkedIn for sex! Modernity is awful. The only good thing is improved medical care and food security. Everything is else is just bad.

Are you yearning for the days when you would be matched with the one available woman in your village? (She’s your second cousin, btw)

Luckily for me the Catholic Church banned cousin marriages and arranged marriages centuries ago. But, yeah, I suppose for people outside of the occident applying for sex on a website as if you are applying for a coding job might be an improvement.

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Post by Nasrudith »

briandear wrote: post #275
throw_m67657 wrote: post #262

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The article paints a sad picture ...although your conclusion seems far fetched. Even marriage can be made into paid rape by the wordings of that article. AFAIK ... decriminalization allows for 1. The sex worker to approach authorities without any fear of prosecution. 2. To set up freelance sex work without pimps and brothels. There shouldn't be a debate about this. Criminalization makes things worse at the expense of…

> From what I know the nordic model has a large number of social services that help sex-workers quit the profession if they wish to. Interesting. Do they have social services for those that wish to quit computer programming? Or quit hair dressing? The fact that there needs to be a social service around this particular profession is indicative that this particular profession is probably harmful to the service provider…

Personally I see plenty of reasons why independent of industry value.

It is also a more physically oriented job that carries some risk of disease exposure, really shouldn't be worked sick, and some accounts mention an emotional toll and an emphasis on appearance. Individually all aspects aren't unique and some have more severe magnitudes.

Given the income is higher than many other available jobs it could be easy to become dependent upon it for income. A good ethical reason for support is that consent is an ongoing process.

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Post by brutt »

yters wrote: post #282

Stamping out murder only has pushed it underground! Stamping out rape has only pushed it underground! Stamping out kidnapping has only pushed it underground! I long for the day all of these practices can be legalized and done safely and in the open!

Murdering of idiots is beneficial for society! Let's make it legal. We can't stop wars anyway.

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Post by Woberto »

yters wrote: post #282

Stamping out murder only has pushed it underground! Stamping out rape has only pushed it underground! Stamping out kidnapping has only pushed it underground! I long for the day all of these practices can be legalized and done safely and in the open!

These all seem like false equivalences. I think it should be "stamping out _online_ murder" etc. And this makes more sense - if people can no longer pursue illegal activities online, they may do so in person. Which I still think is an improvement, because I think it's harder to commit some of these crimes in person.

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Post by brutt »

arcticbull wrote: post #110
PTPoster wrote: post #105

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A created an account just to tell you that you are wrong about Portuguese laws. It's a common mistake. Here in Portugal drug use is what we call ”decriminalized”. It's forbidden but not persecutted/punishable. But I agree that going after drug users is a waste of effort, and more contries should do like us and just go after dealers and distributors. The only way you could go after users is if you use an extreme islam…

Indeed, I'm usually more careful to distinguish legalization and decriminalization. Marijuana is however legal in Canada.

Marijuana is still illegal in USA.

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

yters wrote: post #282

Stamping out murder only has pushed it underground! Stamping out rape has only pushed it underground! Stamping out kidnapping has only pushed it underground! I long for the day all of these practices can be legalized and done safely and in the open!

Truly voluntary prostitution isn't the same as murder, rape, or kidnapping.

People have to work to survive. Some people make so little at work that if they lost that job, they'd be homeless or suffer other harm. And, most people would rather not be at work. Companies often provide this work.

Are workers slaves? Are companies exploiting workers?

If that type of worker-company relationship is morally permissible, then on some level prostitution has to be as well.

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