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Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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There are literally several thousand people who work on marketplace fraud and quality issues. It's a huge concern.

Just like how there are literally thousands of people who work on ensuring customers' privacy at Google?

So easy for armchair quarterbacks to make snippy remarks. Truth is that fixing this kind of issue is probably way harder than you think.

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post #171

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I just went through and clicked on months of past orders, lots of electronics, odds and ends types of things. This isn't true for a single product I clicked on. How is this happening so much for you? Do you have screenshots or examples?

Two items in this order are now something totally different: https://i.imgur.com/EoJDqT0.png USB C 3.0 cable is now: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119EIHTG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... Other USB C cable is now: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119OI9XU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... What's interesting is that both were originally sold by Anker's merchant account (relatively respectable brand), but now each listing is linking to a…

The first one is not available via prime. The second one looks disabled.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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post #171

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I just went through and clicked on months of past orders, lots of electronics, odds and ends types of things. This isn't true for a single product I clicked on. How is this happening so much for you? Do you have screenshots or examples?

Two items in this order are now something totally different: https://i.imgur.com/EoJDqT0.png USB C 3.0 cable is now: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119EIHTG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... Other USB C cable is now: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119OI9XU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... What's interesting is that both were originally sold by Anker's merchant account (relatively respectable brand), but now each listing is linking to a…

I went through my account's purchases, and I also found an old Anker cable that has been taken over by a different brand, but with the old reviews preserved: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019PZE0RO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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post #77

My favorite Amazon scam is the Amazon Ship of Theseus[0]. You sell a product, normally a cheap electronic, and build up a decent corpus of positive reviews. A good example is a USB-C cable or something. Then you decide you want to sell a new product in a more competitive subcategory, like Bluetooth Headphones. You then take the _existing_ listing and change it piece by piece. First the pictures, then the title, then…

Quoting myself:

> what the hell are these brands?

This is what 1-man-brands are. I myself used to run a sunglasses brand in my student years :)

Most are just dropshippers, or people working out of home.

Recipe was simple: order cheapest 1 dollar sunglasses on Alibaba, have them put into fancy packaging and silkscreened with something Italian sounding. Then you make up a generic website with stock photos for your "brand"

I was surprised with the amount of people keen to buy $100 to $200 sunglasses with nothing more than an Italian sounding brand name.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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Forget counterfeits for a second. Even trying to find something like an ultrasonic cleaner on Amazon is like straight going through AliExpress. But wait! Unless you're buying a very very expensive lab model all the "name brands" look to be sourcing the same way and adding a label too. So the name brands are AliExpress with maybe better QC and 200% markup. But wait! Even looking everywhere else it's the same situation…

I’ve recently decided to only buy products made in the USA, if at all possible. If that’s not available ideally Germany, France, or maybe Japan.

I’ve noticed that products tend to originate in these countries because the manufacturer has decided to prioritize quality. As a bonus I’m much less concerned about contributing to horrible labor conditions.

I personally put my heart and soul into ensuring that the things I make are exceptional. I’m not going to accept less from the products I rely on for long periods of my life. If I’m not going to need it for a long time I probably don’t need it.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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post #228

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Think about all the AI/Machine learning work going on. I really think it's not a losing battle, that if Amazon really cared, they could train and maintain a "product listing integrity" AI fairly easily. That they don't already have such a thing to dissuade the gaming going on to dissuade the sketchy practices essentially means to me Amazon condones the behavior.

During a recent Amazon all-hands meeting, the company leadership talked about how there are something like 5,000 employees working on various marketplace frauds, including using ML on some of this. I have no idea why it's so hard, but I don't think Amazon is being as complacent as it seems from the outside.

Frauds where Amazon loses money, or frauds where Amazons customers do not get the product of its purported reputation, or maybe not even the product they thought they ordered.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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Forget counterfeits for a second. Even trying to find something like an ultrasonic cleaner on Amazon is like straight going through AliExpress. But wait! Unless you're buying a very very expensive lab model all the "name brands" look to be sourcing the same way and adding a label too. So the name brands are AliExpress with maybe better QC and 200% markup. But wait! Even looking everywhere else it's the same situation…

It's true that is' really hard to find things on there now. You have to be very specific about what you want, even then it's not easy to find a legitimate seller who ships on time (unless it's something very popular and standard). I often find things at super cheap prices which makes me skeptical about the authenticity to be honest.

I find there are an abundant number of online specialty stores for things I'm looking for now and usually shop there instead (Rogue.com for fitness stuff for example), these stores usually offer a good user experience, great customer service and fast shipping.

Specialty stores are fun to browse because they're run by people who know what they're doing and often recommend other good products they use personally and that I might be interested in. The only way Amazon could do this is by hiring more specialists in particular fields?

There is something slightly flawed about relying on user ratings to suggest products; Users aren't always the best judge of quality, usefulness and detail. I do like the ratings and use them a lot on Amazon; but it's not how good new products get introduced.

I also just like going to real bricks and mortar stores because it's fun to actually go shopping sometimes, and you know the quality is high because they have a lot more to lose by selling a fake. It just takes so much guess work out of shopping for things. Yes sometimes I do pay a little more; but it's convenient, I get what I want and warranty is (for me easier) as I hate posting things myself.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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I consider it a problem. This appears to be an instance of listing abuse. I'd encourage people to report listing abuse if they come across it. I believe these are the correct instructions: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/gp/help/external/200444420 Situations where you're fighting against financially-motivated human adversaries are always difficult.

I don't have a seller central account, and (it appears) I cannot open one either. Is there a way for me to report listing abuse _without_ being a seller? I'd like to, at a bare minimum, report the abusive listings that have nailed me, personally.

On further research, it looks like the recommended way to report this is actually by clicking "Report incorrect product information" on the product detail page.

However it's always reasonable to contact customer service for issues that one isn't sure how to handle otherwise: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/contact-us - they can refer to the right reporting method or pass on the report.

If you get stuck or don't get traction, feel free to send the information to me and I'll pass it on; I'd suggest giving the normal channels several business days first however. In this case, I've submitted an incorrect product info report via the website for each of the problematic pages I've come across today. I plan to follow up on the pages and escalate if necessary.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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If you receive a counterfeit item sold by Amazon, make sure to report it to the company whose product was counterfeited. When I went to return a counterfeit item to Amazon, I made it very clear that the item I received was fake. Amazon decided claim that the reason for the return was because it was damaged, not counterfeited. That's pretty shady in my book. There's liability for selling counterfeited goods, especiall…

I'd just put "Item defective" or "Wrong item was sent." Both will net you a free exchange.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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post #250

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Just like how there are literally thousands of people who work on ensuring customers' privacy at Google?

So easy for armchair quarterbacks to make snippy remarks. Truth is that fixing this kind of issue is probably way harder than you think.

Ebay doesn't have this problem and the solution is extremely obvious. Amazon has no third party seller rating. There is no way to confirm the trustworthiness of a third party seller. People cannot review sellers, they can only review products so sellers can easily get away with reputation loss without having to create new accounts by simply moving on to the next product because Amazon as a whole absorbs the reputation loss. I personally loathe buying on Amazon because of this.
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