Brave launches 1.0 • Hacker News Board

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by pergadad » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:39 PM UTC

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

Ah there you go. That's exactly why I deleted brave. Make it more annoying, splendid! And in the process demonetise websites and claim it's all for the greater good.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by gpm » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:39 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #233

mantap wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience the most valuable websites have few ads and the most trashy websites have the most.

So why are you frequenting these 'trashy' sites? If you are, it must be because they offer some value, right? If you're not... then you don't see any ads from them. Someone else will, because they find value in the site.

Because the trashy sites are also the best at SEO (and google isn't properly incentivized to punish them for their ads) so you end up seeing them by accident.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by mrlala » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:39 PM UTC

foob4r wrote: post #269

annoyingnoob wrote: post #249

Fuck ads. Fuck tracking. Fuck making me part of your 'audience'. There has to be a better way. I'm going with blocking until there is a better answer. Brave may be a step in the right direction but its not the solution.

I understand "fuck trackers". Why "fuck ads"?

>Why "fuck ads"?

Because ads are basically useless? I can remember MAYBE a handful of times in my entire life where an "ad" has actually prompted me to look into/buy something.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by pergadad » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:39 PM UTC

jonathansampson wrote: post #179

hinkley wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

Brave Ads are opt-in, and user-configurable. You decide whether or not to participate, and to what degree (1 to 5 ads per hour). These ads are surfaced as OS notifications, which means they respect settings like Do Not Disturb, Focus Mode, etc. And, as always, you receive 70% of the ad revenue for your participation. Respectfully, that doesn't strike me as an "escalation of hostility" when you compare against the cur…

They started popping up for me without any opt-in.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by pergadad » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

chabes wrote: post #274

hinkley wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP is on track to become my highest rated comment on HN, which suggests more people agree with me about this than anything else I've said here. There are some of us that think the distraction economy is making the world a worse place. OS notifications have a higher participation rate than side-bar ads because 1) nobody has learned to tune them out, and 2) theoretically speaking, these are the things we opted not to f…

As far as I understand it, using the browser with the default settings is basically like using Chrome with ad blocking (and tracking protection and all of that) already built in. The only opt in part is allowing ads, which you get paid for viewing.

You don't get paid. You get tokens which you can then provide to creators.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by PKop » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

aphextim wrote: post #195

brokensegue wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

microtransactions don't work on cryptocurrency...

I disagree, there are many out there that are good at micro-transactions. My personal favorite example is: https://www.stellar.org/papers/stellar-consensus-protocol.pd... Transactions take a few seconds, 10000 transactions per $.01 as well as no mining for coins so it is not a bad coin for climate change compared to say Bitcoin and the mining farms. Just my $0.02

Perhaps what is meant by "don't work" relates more to the value/price/volatility vs actual transaction functionality.

What you describe above has to be weighed against loss of value for holding until accumulating enough to trade for $ no, as well as general fees associated with trading for $ generally?

Else what really is the point, if maintaining the value transferred isn't possible?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by bsclifton » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:42 PM UTC

sadturnip wrote: post #243

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

Can someone explain to me this, as i could not find any real answers from my few minutes of searching. Lets say i have a blog and suddenly people start sending me BAT. 1. How does this impact my taxes? Wouldn't this be considered an income? 2. If i don't collect it where does it go? 3. If my content is being hosted on something like youtube or github do i get it or does the site hosting it get it? 4. How do i go abou…

The tokens get set aside (tracked only in the user's browser) but nothing happens until you verify on https://creators.brave.com/

Once you verify, the tokens will leave the user's wallet and are put into a wallet (called a card) with Brave partner Uphold. If you want to convert the tokens to your local currency and put into your account, there's a "Know Your Customer" process that the government makes sure is enforced

Tax-wise, I'm not sure how that works (great question). Besides manually converting to your currency and depositing to your bank, Uphold has a debit card that will automatically do the conversion if you use it when shopping

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Barrin92 » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:42 PM UTC

buboard wrote: post #44

have_faith wrote: post #30

If people like Brave's ad model, all the power to them. I would personally never touch it. I'm not philosophically on board with the idea that paying people to look at ads is a pragmatic way forward. It doesn't matter if it's opt-in, free-to-play games with loot crates are opt-in, but the decision to go down that road will effect their decision making process when designing new features and I don't want to be part of…

If people aren't willing to look at ads, what will news articles become? ads. What will HN comments become? Ads (many blog posts already are). Advertising covers a need

>what will news articles become?

there will be fewer of them which is a good thing because the signal to noise ratio of journalism is about one to two magnitudes too high, they will be smaller and funded by communities who have authentic interest in keeping them alive rather than be incentivised to maximise engagement, and I'd wager they'd be more responsive to the needs of their readers and members.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by justsee » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:42 PM UTC

sadturnip wrote: post #243

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

Can someone explain to me this, as i could not find any real answers from my few minutes of searching. Lets say i have a blog and suddenly people start sending me BAT. 1. How does this impact my taxes? Wouldn't this be considered an income? 2. If i don't collect it where does it go? 3. If my content is being hosted on something like youtube or github do i get it or does the site hosting it get it? 4. How do i go abou…

People can't suddenly start sending you BAT.

They can attempt to send you BAT in the browser, but it shows that you're an unverified creator, so the browser essentially 'holds' the BAT and attempts to send to you for a period of time (I think 90 days).

You sign up at https://creators.brave.com/ for your website / reddit / github / twitter / soundcloud / etc and verification happens depending on the platform, then you're shown as a registered creator in the browser when someone visits.

You get the BAT donation and just like any income would have to consider tax implications.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by choward » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 7:42 PM UTC

apazzolini wrote: post #129

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

> rather than intrusive in-page ads, Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system I'm sorry, how is that not orders of magnitudes MORE intrusive?

One of my biggest gripes with modern software is using notifications for things that shouldn't actually be notifications. IMO, marketing/advertising NEVER should be a notification. Notifications are for things where you find value in being interrupted such as receiving a message from someone you know or letting you know you have an appointment upcoming so you don't miss it. They're not there to tell you about some arbitrarily made up sale or discount. Any app that abuses notifications is instantly uninstalled from my phone which is why I have so few apps.