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Pretty telling that the idea of voting against one's own financial self-interest, even as a single part of a large platform, is a wild idea to these business journalists.

It actually can be self-interested. If you work for AWS, why would you want to be inside of Amazon, who you subsidize with your bsuiness’s profits? A lot of the subsidiaries would be massive companies in their own.

AWS only exists because Amazon retail financed it and provided a use-case to motivate the design.

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> That's a really strange thing for a “classical liberal” to say. This is straight from the hardcore neoconservative narrative. Not really. If China were playing with equal rules there would be no problems. They are not. From currency manipulation to intellectual property theft, not a care about the environment and the imprisonment of massive amounts of people and more, they are not equal participants in the economic…

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU-8Uz_nMaQ Oh, look! Yet another conservative think-tank with “liberty” in its name…

Never mind what the man says. Judge him by the source of the video. Brilliant.

For those who have not seen the video, these are the ten core principles of Classical Liberalism he lists:

    1) Liberty as the primary political value
    2) Individualism
    3) Skepticism about power
    4) Rule of Law
    5) Civil Society
    6) Spontaneous Order
    7) Free Markets
    8) Toleration
    9) Peace
    10) Limited Government
In the video he gives a short explanation of each of the above.

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Can someone explain why SV tech workers are more left-wing to me as an outsider? I always thought these tech workers were more libertarian.

Hi, I'm likely the only person here who has read the 1200 page book "Human Action" by Ludwig Von Mises on which libertarianism is based. The book was published in 1949, and the premise which is exhaustively laid out is, if you CAN work, you should, and the government should interfere with its citizens the least amount possible. These are reasonable principles, but two things happened. One, the Republicans captured th…

It's too late to edit; I'd like to add that another fundamental flaw of libertarianism is it always blames the job seeker. Despite macro-economic conditions, despite corruption, despite oppression, it always places the burden of economic problems on the lowest person with the least power. Your job was outsourced? It's your fault for not providing more value. The system is corrupt? Let's just ignore that; it's your fault for not providing more value.

In this way, Libertarians (of which I once was) are "useful idiots" for the ruling class-- it's always your fault for not serving the upper classes well enough.

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The post you're replying to is presumably a high income left-leaning voter from the way they phrased the comment. They're literally expressing what you say doesn't exist quite clearly. And anyway your own candidate in 2016 famously called everyone that didn't agree with her "deplorable", and it's a common theme throughout left-leaning high income coastal communities to look down on those hicks in flyover country who…

According to the quote I've seen, she called "half" of Trump's supporters deplorable. I think it's clear in hindsight that essentially all of them supported the things she was deploring, which is why it was a bad move, but she wasn't claiming that.

No, it's clear in hindsight that the statement was false then and is still false now.

You have demonized anyone who doesn't support left wing ideology to the point that nobody wants to talk to you about it anymore. There are probably many trump supporters working with you that you'll never know about.

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I don't know who came up with that definition. Gen-Y is born late 80s and 90s. Millenials are born in the new MILLENIUM.

That definition was used for a very short time in the 90s. It's long since settled into "was a teenager in the new millennium", which means born early 80s to late 90s. Gen Z, also known as iGen, was born in the new millennium.

> short time in the 90s

The first time I heard the word millenial was 2017.

This world is weird. But in a world were people can choose their gender freely I think I can have the choice to use that word as I see fit. Feel free to do the same. ;)

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It's always a technicality, and with enough pressure, any company is likely to "make it right". The point is that Sanders' demagoguery of companies exploiting workers mismatches with his own campaign's actions. Likewise, Warren can rail on and on about underpaid, "exploited" workers, but her own campaign staff are subject to this, as it is an industry standard way to run campaigns!! They like to ignore free market ra…

Not sure why you are ignoring the fact that Sanders and Warren don't have stockpiled profits or billionaire managers taking home the cash not being paid to staffers.

If they could they would. Who do you think is more powerful, the billionaire, or the politician who asserts his will on the billionaire? Case (s) in point:

1. Amazon/AWS losing the Pentagon cloud deal to Microsoft [1]

2. Amazon driven out of NYC by AOC and co. [2]. And still people think Bezos is the powerful one.

[1]: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business...

[2]: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.syracuse.com/politics/2019/...

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I prefer Andrew Yang's method of adding on a general value added tax in addition to providing a basic income. This ensures a distribution of wealth that guarantees a minimum base while not discouraging people from aiming higher by forcing a cap on income.

I support basic income, but I'm not a big fan of value added tax. It's a corporate tax that ends up being paid by consumers. Investments and buying abroad is often except, so it ends up as a somewhat regressive tax.

So something in the vein of an increased capital gains tax?

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This is a completely destructive plan that will enable international competitors who aren’t subject to it to simply take the tech industry away from the US.

There's no reason that foreign companies that don't follow US law must be allowed to operate in US.

True - but then there is no reason the counties those companies operate in should continue to trade with the US or supply the resources it needs.

Seems a lot like communist isolationism.

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According to the quote I've seen, she called "half" of Trump's supporters deplorable. I think it's clear in hindsight that essentially all of them supported the things she was deploring, which is why it was a bad move, but she wasn't claiming that.

No, it's clear in hindsight that the statement was false then and is still false now. You have demonized anyone who doesn't support left wing ideology to the point that nobody wants to talk to you about it anymore. There are probably many trump supporters working with you that you'll never know about.

I'm working for state government, and every one of my co-workers is a woman, and my boss, and my bosses' boss. Also, they're union members, and some of them belong to a coven.

Also also, nobody wants to talk to me about right wing ideology? Well, https://xkcd.com/810/

...but seriously, nobody I know wants to talk about the president, practically since the election, but it's obvious when someone is following the latest talking point of the right. Like right now in NY with the bail reform.

Re: Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their Employers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always a technicality, and with enough pressure, any company is likely to "make it right". The point is that Sanders' demagoguery of companies exploiting workers mismatches with his own campaign's actions. Likewise, Warren can rail on and on about underpaid, "exploited" workers, but her own campaign staff are subject to this, as it is an industry standard way to run campaigns!! They like to ignore free market ra…

Not sure why you are ignoring the fact that Sanders and Warren don't have stockpiled profits or billionaire managers taking home the cash not being paid to staffers.

So they can stomp on people on their way to power as long they don't earn too much money on the way?
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