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Re: Soli

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Post by pdxandi »

magnamerc wrote: post #166
degenerate wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the one and only suggestion so far that makes sense. It would be nice when cooking. If I was sitting in a bus/train/plane/concert/ , there is no chance in hell I am waving my hands at a phone. I would even feel silly doing it at home.

You can extend this to mechanics/technicians. Manipulating a large screen when your hands are full of grease.

I just spent most of this year rebuilding the engine in my SUV and this would've been an incredible feature. I either greased up my phone when I needed to look something up, or had to take off my latex gloves, which are a pain to get back on when your hands were all sweaty.

Re: Soli

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Post by wcip »

tomphoolery wrote: post #228
jasonhong wrote: post #119

I recently showed some videos of Soli in the HCI class I teach. Students immediately hit upon the two major issues I wanted to discuss (I was pretty proud!). The first is learnability. A big problem with gestures is that there is no clear affordance as to what kinds of gestures you can do, or any clear feedback. For feedback, one could couple Soli's input with a visual display, but at that point, it's not clear if th…

> How can the system differentiate if you are intentionally gesturing as input vs incidentally gesturing? This is why I had to change my Amazon Echo Dot's call word back from "Computer". Turns out one might say "computer" a lot during the course of the day, and Alexa was CONSTANTLY going off when it shouldn't have. It was so disappointing that I gave the echo dot away.

Try watching star trek the next generation with that setting on.

Re: Soli

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Post by sturmeh »

yalogin wrote: post #230

Why is this needed? I can see there are some niche needs like when you are cooking and cannot touch the screen. But that is what voice is for. What exactly is soli solving? Looks like over engineering to me, simply because they can.

Let's not pretend voice isn't also a huge novelty.

Yes the gestures are majorly a novelty, but the fact is, this is a radar, not a gesture sensor.

It would be capable of determining if you're in a dangerous situation (by sensing assault / weapons), it could help a blind person avoid walking into walls, or simply chime when it falls out of your pocket.

Some of these have very high power requirements which is why it's not entirely practical to bake it into the phone as a common feature, but they're all entirely within the realm of possibility.

Re: Soli

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Post by sixothree »

lm28469 wrote: post #58

Not sure what to think about it. Seems awesome at first glance but then the examples are skipping songs and hand waving pokemons. Feels a lot like a solution looking for a problem.

More specifically it looks like a new way to capture data without a killer feature.

Re: Soli

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Post by techolic »

jasonhong wrote: post #119

I recently showed some videos of Soli in the HCI class I teach. Students immediately hit upon the two major issues I wanted to discuss (I was pretty proud!). The first is learnability. A big problem with gestures is that there is no clear affordance as to what kinds of gestures you can do, or any clear feedback. For feedback, one could couple Soli's input with a visual display, but at that point, it's not clear if th…

Reminds me of eye-controlled autofocus from early Canon cameras.

Re: Soli

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Post by glenvdb »

In an earlier iteration of the web page they had really cool examples of controlling sliders, radial dials, panning surfaces, highly specific pinch gestures etc.

All of those have been removed and now it's just waving. It's cool tech and requires solving lots of hard problems, but it's a shame it falls so short of the initial vision.

Re: Soli

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Post by oldmanhorton »

TOMDM wrote: post #269
jasonhong wrote: post #119

I recently showed some videos of Soli in the HCI class I teach. Students immediately hit upon the two major issues I wanted to discuss (I was pretty proud!). The first is learnability. A big problem with gestures is that there is no clear affordance as to what kinds of gestures you can do, or any clear feedback. For feedback, one could couple Soli's input with a visual display, but at that point, it's not clear if th…

Snapping my fingers would be a nice trigger, like "ok Google" or "Alexa". Synchronising the sound with the gesture would cut down on the false positive rate, and it's something I'm unlikely to do unless I want to interact with my phone. If it could penetrate my pants pocket, being able to snap my fingers next to my pocket, and then perform simple interactions without having to pick up my phone would be nice. Pick up,…

I would say that snapping is definitely an incidental gesture for some people, and it's also highly inaccessible (while many gesture controls aren't perfectly accessible, audibly snapping is difficult for many more people than those who waving is difficult for)

Re: Soli

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Post by yogrish »

jasonhong wrote: post #119

I recently showed some videos of Soli in the HCI class I teach. Students immediately hit upon the two major issues I wanted to discuss (I was pretty proud!). The first is learnability. A big problem with gestures is that there is no clear affordance as to what kinds of gestures you can do, or any clear feedback. For feedback, one could couple Soli's input with a visual display, but at that point, it's not clear if th…

spot on. I feel this is an abuse of technology. They want to take Touch to next level with gesture, but it is doomed to fail unless they solve other issues as you pointed out(just my opinion). Gesture might be good for gaming (ex:kinect). I worked on Hover touch in one of the big smartphone company. we achieved good results at different heights but eventually it didn't take off. After all Humans need a sense of touch to interact.

Re: Soli

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Post by igornadj »

earth2mars wrote: post #254

why no one talks about health and safety of this technology?Not that it will cause any issues, but interested and curious about any peer reviewed studies on how prolonged exposure of 60GHz with close proximity to the body will affect? If there is none, I would love to jump on to the ship. Because, it is so cool! if there is something or have no evidence, then the community or the experts should talk about it and push…

There's nothing special about 60GHz, it's just like any other radio transmitter that's been around for decades. The safety is well understood and apart from some pseudoscience around it (as has been for every new tech, including microwave ovens, cellphones, 5g etc.), there are no concerns.

Re: Soli

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Post by TOMDM »

oldmanhorton wrote: post #287
TOMDM wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snapping my fingers would be a nice trigger, like "ok Google" or "Alexa". Synchronising the sound with the gesture would cut down on the false positive rate, and it's something I'm unlikely to do unless I want to interact with my phone. If it could penetrate my pants pocket, being able to snap my fingers next to my pocket, and then perform simple interactions without having to pick up my phone would be nice. Pick up,…

I would say that snapping is definitely an incidental gesture for some people, and it's also highly inaccessible (while many gesture controls aren't perfectly accessible, audibly snapping is difficult for many more people than those who waving is difficult for)

Thinking over this I have to agree.

Not to mention, half the utility of the gestures is the ability to interact with messy/wet hands. Snapping my fingers near my phone in that situation isn't attractive.

Maybe teaching a gesture to your phone is the most accessable option, respects culture and disability the best.

It's a shame though, I did like the intentionality that the sound of snapping fingers afforded.

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