U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

Post by BiasRegularizer » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 7:19 AM UTC

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"However, in the long term 15-20 years, I would imagine, China would have fully caught up with the US particularly on semiconductor design and fabrication. Once that happens, the dominance of the US tech stack will start to falter and eventually erode away. " Are you assuming the U.S. will sit stagnant during these 15-20 years? If China is 15-20 years behind currently, I doubt they will ever be at parity. Their best…

Apparently China is already leading the world as far as AI goes (I first saw this in Mary Meeker’s internet report this year I think it was and she usually links to the research in her slides). I read somewhere that Chinese scientists found it easier to get Chinese government funding for bold and ambitious research (and I imagine they’d also have other “advantages” given how the country is governed). So I wouldn’t be…

Post by alasdair_ » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 7:24 AM UTC

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Doubt it. China has yet to invent a new class of technology not copied/stolen from Europe or US. There are very good ar perfecting technologies developed elsewhere.

Not yet. But 20 years ago, we weren't having this conversation of China even being seen as a threat. Back in the day, China was simply and exotic communist land that the West exploited for cheap manufacturing. Now it's appearing to be going down the path of militarily deterring the US and competing in the tech field.

Post by baq » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 7:29 AM UTC

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> If China is 15-20 years behind currently, I doubt they will ever be at parity. Yes, no lesson from world history is more obvious and robust than "once in the lead, always in the lead".

Like all the historic civilizations that peaked and fell apart ?

Post by laputan_machine » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 7:37 AM UTC

alasdair_ wrote: post #283

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Not yet. But 20 years ago, we weren't having this conversation of China even being seen as a threat. Back in the day, China was simply and exotic communist land that the West exploited for cheap manufacturing. Now it's appearing to be going down the path of militarily deterring the US and competing in the tech field.

>Not yet. But 20 years ago, we weren't having this conversation of China even being seen as a threat. Twenty years ago, Japan was the "threat" and the zeitgeist was full of tropes of Japanese technology taking over the world.

Post by yorwba » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 7:40 AM UTC

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"US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up." So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. "Heck they even helped AMD catch up to Intel, and see what sort of major success that was ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent... . ) " All I see here is an agreement for AMD to transfer technology to China, for x86 chips destined for chinese-only server marke…

I don't know but from a science point of view all our last research are based on paper coming from people at China companies (Alibaba, Tencent), that currently have the edge in our specific domain (machine learning). So yes in domains that mainly require your brain they have caught up if not ahead.