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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by johnchristopher »

tooop wrote: post #222
johnchristopher wrote: post #207

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English isn't my first language but self-made seems to me to be about the self as in opposition to others. And I have always understood the word to be used in that sense. See the Collins definition (emphasis mine): Self-made is used to describe people who have become successful and rich through their own efforts, especially if they started life without money, education, or high social status . https://www.collinsdict…

Giving orders to others are your actions/efforts/decisions so it entirely suits the definition.

"I ask my mom and dad to connect me to their old money friends to get some low rate loans to bootstrap my business. I am self made because I asked my mom and dad for the connection. And I also ask them to co-sign the lease for my office."

HN Argumentum_ad_dictionarium at its finest. It's getting tiring.

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Post by habitue »

swebs wrote: post #274
habitue wrote: post #208

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So Google pulled out of China, and their shareholders didn't sue them (that I could find. Though even if they did, apparently it didn't cause them to go back into China). The shareholders did sue them to halt their plans for a censored Chinese search engine (which failed, but they tried). Yes, a company has a fiduciary duty to shareholders, but there are lots of ways to fulfill that duty. There's no requirement that…

>Though even if they did, apparently it didn't cause them to go back into China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine)

Right, sorry, so Dragonfly is the thing the shareholders sued to stop. I assumed that was not the result of shareholders suing them to go into china

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Post by snowron6 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #243
Aperocky wrote: post #169

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Let's look at some large scale political action in the past: 1. Invade Iraq. 4000+ Americans dead, over 1 million Iraqi died. 2. Bombed Libya, it is now a $democratic_wonderland. I'm not putting Afghanistan here because I think it's justified, but then why are we still there after Bin Laden's dead? How about just minding our own business. If China don't want to watch NBA, then so be it. If you don't want to buy shit…

> How about just minding our own business A foreign country telling Americans what they can and cannot say very much is my business.

I mean, its only because the company let's them isn't it? The NBA, and pretty much every company, has could totally ignore China telling them what to do, but they would rather take the money.

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

ivankolev wrote: post #71
danem wrote: post #58

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> it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league that's going to overtake the NBA, ever. Why not? Is it inconceivable that in the future the CBA will be able to compete with the NBA for top talent? I guarantee that down the road a future Zion Williamson will choose to play in China over New Orleans. This won't be in the near future mind you, but as the Chinese economy grows, and as basketbal…

Not likely, players (not superstars) can already make more money in Euroleague yet everyone given a choice wants to play at the highest level, which is NBA. Superstars even more so, Kawhi Leonard won a title in Toronto but chose to go back home in LA, for less guaranteed money.

You may overestimate how valuable western eyeballs are, a billion people can recreate this industry with government support quite easily.

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Post by filoleg »

justaduderr wrote: post #65
5trokerac3 wrote: post #50

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Everything from that list is from within the last 60 years. While China was murdering between 60 to 100 million of its citizens, America passed the Civil Rights Act.

I don't have too much time to educate you on these things but just to note: Re: "60 to 100 million of its citizens" is just straight up wrong. There was a Great Famine in China* - Mao did not murder up to 100 million citizens. Are you serious? Your own source says as much. Re: Social Credit System (SCS) - By pretty much every metric the SCS has not resulted in massive discrimination on the scale of racism and sexism…

>the American education system is an embarrassment.

Must be why all the elites from China send their kids to get college education in the US.

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Post by i_am_nomad »

danharaj wrote: post #279
i_am_nomad wrote: post #271

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No one said anything about political discourse, just about differing opinions on various issues. Surely, racism is one of them. And just so you know, the prevailing Chinese opinion on that is quite a bit different that what we believe in the West.

Do you think that the extent of racism is what opinions you hold?

No, but since you asked, can you tell me what racist things Donald Sterling did, besides make some comments in private?

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Post by johnchristopher »

davidw wrote: post #211
johnchristopher wrote: post #204

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> If it's someone's job to dump raw industrial waste in the river, and stricter environmental regulations cause them to lose their job, I'm ok with that. I am not talking about Chinese workers losing jobs, I am talking about US citizens being collateral damage next month when Random Mother Corpo ® decides to lay off an arbitrary number of workers way down the corporate ladder in order to compensate for the bad previs…

If a company has to do layoffs because they're doing something "wrong", I'm fine with that. The toxic waste thing is just a simple example. I think there should be policies in place to help people who lose their jobs for whatever reason.

> If a company has to do layoffs because they're doing something "wrong", I'm fine with that. The toxic waste thing is just a simple example.

But the company doing the layoff isn't the same as the company doing the "wrong" thing. Think of the guy selling burgers in front of the stadium not meeting the quota because ticket prices surged and less people buy burgers or the bar owner selling less drinks because suddenly the rights to show NBA games rose up in order to compensate for the $4B of revenues disappearing and he has in turn to pass the buckets to his regular who either buy less drinks or shell out more money than before.

edit: I specifically wrote Random Mother Corpo® as in NOT THE NBA . To illustrate the fact that companies and the economy is inter-connected. That boycotting some company or country has some side-effects which bring collateral damage.

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Post by tooop »

uoaei wrote: post #259
tooop wrote: post #96

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Self made means that you didn't inherit your money, win it in lottery or somebody just gave it you. Self-made doesn't stop applying when other people are involved, that is just absurd.

This conflates "self-made" with "started with nothing". In some ways they align but they're not useful as synonyms. The major difference between inheriting money and attracting investors is that you need to be more convincing for the latter to get the money on offer. The investor to whom you are otherwise a stranger might want to put some contract together to make sure they see a slice of the pie if you're successful…

You literally just described effort - doing everything possible to attract investors.

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Post by gamblor956 »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #285
ivankolev wrote: post #71

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Not likely, players (not superstars) can already make more money in Euroleague yet everyone given a choice wants to play at the highest level, which is NBA. Superstars even more so, Kawhi Leonard won a title in Toronto but chose to go back home in LA, for less guaranteed money.

You may overestimate how valuable western eyeballs are, a billion people can recreate this industry with government support quite easily.

You may overestimate how valuable those billion viewers are, most of them don't have the money to buy anything.

Also, there are a great many cultural and economic reasons that foreign players generally avoid playing in China's existing professional sports league. Political oppression is just one of those reasons.

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