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China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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The alternative to being stuck in traffic for hours is flying. A major problem with train systems in the United States (and this is both short and long haul) is that almost the entire country is sprawl - built around the automobile. In dense environments (China and the north-east coast of the US (which has Acela), it's great to take a train into the core -- you beat traffic and are near your destination. In sprawling…

> A major problem with train systems in the United States (and this is both short and long haul) is that almost the entire country is sprawl - built around the automobile. this is an excuse i have repeated myself, but it is just that, an excuse. have you actually been to china? i have never seen such sprawl. shanghai is massive and sprawling. but yet, they (china) have extremely efficient and unbelievably cheap train…

If you want to see what prices would be in the U.S, look at Japan.

Tokyo to Kyoto one way is 13,080 yen ($120) for the cheapest ticket, for a distance of 226 miles. About the same distance as DC to New York.

A lot of people think high speed rail would be cheaper to flying, in reality it's often the same or more than flying today. And it then costs billions of dollars to build the rail.

As for subways, that unfortunately seems more like a corruption/mismanagement problem in the U.S unfortunately. Our subway systems aren't exactly cheap to build, but are often dirty and late like you say. I would much rather put effort into fixing problems with how we spend the money today, then throwing money at high speed rail.

At $240 round trip, though it's great you could take the train in only 2 hours, it's not as if your average citizen in Kyoto is going to head down to Tokyo on a whim.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Currently living in California, and I feel the main opposition to things like this are the constituents. Everyone in the Central Valley will simply vote against whatever California wants to spend money on unless if overwhelmingly benefits them, or “hurts” those in the cities. I know this isn’t the only reason the high speed rail project was canned, but those in the Centra Valley opposed it unless it connected some st…

> those in the Centra Valley opposed it unless it connected some stretches like Fresno Bakersfield together. Why would they support being essentially left behind?

So just add stations on side tracks and count them in.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Flying easily adds 1-3 hours to the trip just for bullshit and boarding and stuff so there is a certain distance where the high speed trains are faster. It's also way more comfortable and relaxed. I prefer train over driving when I'm going somewhere too.. well until I discovered lane assist functions in modern cars that is :) But I can't yet work while driving so I guess the train wins in overall productivity. Flying…

Exactly. We would be better off disrupting the BS of air travel then building out train networks. I've often dreamed of a world that comes to its senses and realizes that adding all the extra bull to flying hasn't done any good and there was a consistent effort to eliminate it all. Imagine if flying was as easy as getting on a train or bus. Buy a pass. Sign up for a slot on a flight online. Show up DIRECTLY to the ga…

That does nothing about the fact that flying is destroying our environment and emits greenhouse gas emissions 2 orders of magnitude over the same trip by train.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Hasn't the last 50 years of attempting these shown that they're uneconomic in the extreme, and probably will continue to be even if China puts its admittedly heavily state-subsidized rail-building prowess behind it?

They are amazing. There is one in Shanghai that connects the airport to the city. Imagine a ride from SFO to Salesforce tower in 7 minutes.

It doesn’t really go to the city, but some far out suburb in pudong. Faster to take a cab than subway + maglev transfer. Unless you specifically want to ride the maglev.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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So, as someone that lived in New York for 6 years and California for 6 years, stories like this are incredibly depressing. The US is the world's largest economy and should be the shining example of amazing infrastructure, high-tech, green cities, and forward thinking policies. California is an especially egregious example in terms of infrastructure investment: If California was a country it would be the world's fifth…

>Why on earth isn't there a high speed rail between these cities? The cost of labor, the cost of environmental studies, the cost of materials, and the need for the project to show a profit. All of these factors are much different in China.

Yeah, that's why Japan and Europe don't have high speed rail either.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Chinese airspace is already incredibly congested and unreliable. They just had to build a new 100-million capacity airport for Beijing because of a lack of capacity at the existing airport. The alternative to not continuing to build up rail is that people start not making trips within China due to the difficulty. (Obvious grandstanding projects like HSR to Urumqi and Lhasa not included.)

Rail yes, highspeed rail maybe not. Whether china has the market and will to sustain widespread 1000kph rail is untested.

China has about 30000km of highspeed rail. Pretty sure that counts as widespread. Sure, it's going at a leisurely 250–350km/h, not the 600-1000km/h from the article. But I don't think anyone claims that each train has to go 1000km/h from now on.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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So, as someone that lived in New York for 6 years and California for 6 years, stories like this are incredibly depressing. The US is the world's largest economy and should be the shining example of amazing infrastructure, high-tech, green cities, and forward thinking policies. California is an especially egregious example in terms of infrastructure investment: If California was a country it would be the world's fifth…

> Can you imagine the impact of being able to train from San Diego to LA in 30mins? Yeah I can: approximately nothing. What exactly would you do with such a train? Neither LA nor San Diego have meaningful downtowns or local transit, so you'd still need a 45 minute drive on each end to get from/to where ever you're actually going. It's a 2.5 hour drive door-to-door today, so now you've just got a three-seat journey wh…

What is a meaningful downtown?

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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You can gauge the insincerity of the project by the mendacity of the title. There is an area of Texas known universally as "Central Texas". The "Texas Central" project goes nowhere near it. It's a rail line from Houston to Dallas. It's not going to happen, unless the legislature goes full bore socialize-the-losses and subsidizes it.

>> You can gauge the insincerity of the project by the mendacity of the title. There is an area of Texas known universally as "Central Texas". The "Texas Central" project goes nowhere near it. This is an incredibly bizarre criticism. Perhaps you are bitter that the project will not benefit you immediately? I live in Austin, and I am a bit disappointed about that myself, so I sympathize.

It may seem a bizarre take to you, however after decades of reading titles of legislative bills and "projects" it's a simple test whose results stand up over time. I use it all the time.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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So, as someone that lived in New York for 6 years and California for 6 years, stories like this are incredibly depressing. The US is the world's largest economy and should be the shining example of amazing infrastructure, high-tech, green cities, and forward thinking policies. California is an especially egregious example in terms of infrastructure investment: If California was a country it would be the world's fifth…

> So, as someone that lived in New York for 6 years and California for 6 years, stories like this are incredibly depressing.

What would be really depressing would be getting stuck with the hidden bill for this stuff. Sentiment like yours is why politicians can dangle the carrot of rail in front of the public for decades and keep cashing out.

It's just not that great a choice of transport on most legs in the U.S; and most places where medium- and high-speed rail makes sense in the U.S. already have it, at some price that keeps it somewhat occupied.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Your country is not even 250 years old. There are older cities with better infrastructure.

Firebombing tends to.tear down old infrastructure pretty effectively

By the time they started planning the bullet train, that was long in the past. This is what the surroundings would have looked like when the bullet train started.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:0_series_Yurakucho_1967...

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