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Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by wavefunction » Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 7:15 AM UTC

senorjazz wrote: post #252

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JavaScript predates PHP by five years. 'Maturity' is a subjective quality in my opinion and I also think PHP is a hot mess. JavaScript is synchronous unless you specifically utilize its asynchronous parts. Asynchronous execution is possible with PHP

> and I also think PHP is a hot mess That is a mighty strong statement when trying to big javascript lol

I just pointed out some misconceptions about both JavaScript and PHP but some folks are indeed touchy, I will agree with you there.

Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by wavefunction » Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 7:20 AM UTC

cesarb wrote: post #251

wavefunction wrote: post #211

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JavaScript predates PHP by five years. 'Maturity' is a subjective quality in my opinion and I also think PHP is a hot mess. JavaScript is synchronous unless you specifically utilize its asynchronous parts. Asynchronous execution is possible with PHP

> JavaScript predates PHP by five years. Wikipedia tells me they're both from 1995.

This is all IMNSOHO: PHP3 was really the genesis of "PHP" which was 1997 with a decent parser, and I think the first version of what people refer to as "PHP" was PHP4 in 1999 with mainstream adoption in 2000. Many places were still doing VB6 with MS Access data stores.

Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg » Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 10:58 AM UTC

wavefunction wrote: post #280

hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #214

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> think PHP is a hot mess. Have you used PHP in the last 5 years?

I wrote some PHP on Friday.

Interesting. Which version? Did you use an IDE (and an editor with good PHP bindings)? Was it a legacy project? Does the project use composer? What didn't you like?

Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by pdub123 » Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 6:13 PM UTC

mruts wrote: post #272

philwelch wrote: post #268

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I was sticking to the ones known for being wealthy, otherwise I would have mentioned San Marino and Liechtenstein.

I think Vatican City qualifies as being wealthy af.

The context is "but has failed to be a research hub, in contrast to rich city states like Singapore."

Are these city states research hubs? Hong Kong or Liechtenstein perhaps.

Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by xwdv » Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:39 PM UTC

xnyan wrote: post #119

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Ability to find php developers is usually a reason to choose php. It's actually harder to find good js developers. Javascript frameworks work nicely with php acting as an api. An even better approach is a hybrid that allows you to use a framework like Vue/React or a libruary like jQuery but also allows you to use php to power your pages. This gives you the ability to have an spa per section. A common approach is to u…

Hey! New dev honestly trying to learn why PHP matters at all in 2019. Is PHP something I should stop learning JS for? In all my (very limited) experience, PHP does not solve any problem JavaScript can't, and JS is also far more in demand.

Bro, let me tell you, there’s a reason why people say “Never bet against Javascript”.

If you become a great Javascript dev it will open you to far more opportunities, front end, back end, and everything in between.

Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by baobabKoodaa » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:23 PM UTC

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When you have $1M to invest you have a ton of options. When you have $100B to invest, your options are more limited.

I don’t think that’s true. When you have $100B and are hoping to earn a 10x return, your options are limited. $100B is only about 2.5 the size of Harvard University’s endowment, IIRC. You could manage that $100B like an oversized hedge fund and still make money, but probably not 10x returns.

Your options are more limited even if you would be happy with steady-ish returns averaging 12%/year. There simply isn't as many options to choose from.

Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by mruts » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 12:22 AM UTC

pdub123 wrote: post #284

mruts wrote: post #272

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I think Vatican City qualifies as being wealthy af.

The context is "but has failed to be a research hub, in contrast to rich city states like Singapore." Are these city states research hubs? Hong Kong or Liechtenstein perhaps.

I mean, Vatican City is probably the oldest research hub in current existence.

Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by TheKarateKid » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:18 PM UTC

wavefunction wrote: post #211

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PHP an older and more mature language. It also is synchronous so it runs similar to C/Java/Python. Programming full stack with JavaScript requires a different programming mindset with its asynchronous nature.

JavaScript predates PHP by five years. 'Maturity' is a subjective quality in my opinion and I also think PHP is a hot mess. JavaScript is synchronous unless you specifically utilize its asynchronous parts. Asynchronous execution is possible with PHP

> I also think PHP is a hot mess.

More of a hot mess of a language than Javascript where every engine can apply their own rules and implementations, just like HTML?

Just because almost everyone uses V8, it doesn't change the fact that when you execute Javascript code, it's not guaranteed to run a certain way because each engine is based on recommendations and standards - not cemented rules. It's the same problem as having to write HTML/CSS for each browser engine.

Re: Dog-walking startup Wag raised $300M, then things got messy

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Post by TheKarateKid » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 10:20 PM UTC

wavefunction wrote: post #282

cesarb wrote: post #251

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> JavaScript predates PHP by five years. Wikipedia tells me they're both from 1995.

This is all IMNSOHO: PHP3 was really the genesis of "PHP" which was 1997 with a decent parser, and I think the first version of what people refer to as "PHP" was PHP4 in 1999 with mainstream adoption in 2000. Many places were still doing VB6 with MS Access data stores.

So by the logic of your own opinion, Javascript would be seen as even less of a mature language than PHP because the "genesis" of JS was really the V8 engine and Node, which didn't happen until 2008-2009.