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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by FireBeyond »

drcross wrote: post #157
dual_basis wrote: post #143

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That's funny, I didn't realize Android Auto wouldn't work in a Tesla, and now I am very hesitant to buy one. It works perfectly on my wife's car, I can use whatever apps I want (eg. PocketCasts, Spotify, Plex) and the integration with the other aspects of the car is seamless. Teslas are just now getting Spotify?!?! That's exactly the sort of thing I would expect with an in-house system, and exactly why I would want t…

They are such bad reasons to rule out a car that you seem to have very little idea about.

There are people talking about how being able to watch Netflix, integrate Spotify into their Tesla make it a "joyous" experience to own, and that's valid, but saying that "lack of Apple CarPlay" is a negative against the car is a "bad" opinion?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by FireBeyond »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #2

"Those using Smart Summon must remain responsible for the car and monitor it and its surroundings at all times. " Does this come with an "oh god, stop!" button of some sort?

Witness the contradiction right in Tesla's own material:

> You can use this while being distracted by a fussy child[1].

> [1] You must be paying full attention to the car.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by m463 »

CalChris wrote: post #254
Shivetya wrote: post #199

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Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

Owner of a 2015 AP1 Tesla Model S. > My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign My Model S can and it has AP1. It's very good at this. Has it ever made a mistake. Not that I'm aware and I've checked a lot. I'll see a speed limit sign and as I pass it, the speed limit sign on the drivers console will update.

AP1 generally works fine - recognizing signs and changing correctly just as I pass them.

Except for once in a while.

I wouldn't generally notice except my "over speed limit" chime (set to +10) will go off sometimes. I look down and see that it thinks the speed limit is 50, even though I'm on the freeway and the limit is 65. It thinks I'm going 15 over.

This is puzzling because there's no physical 50 mph sign and even if it misrecognized a truck sign, that would say 55. (trucks, towing speed limit 55 sign)

Maybe there's a speed limit override in the nav system?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by Fins »

automathematics wrote: post #206
cortesoft wrote: post #44

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I thought that, too, but I have taken a couple of longer (800 mile or so) trips in the Tesla and was pleasantly surprised. I thought the 'charge for 30 minutes' at a supercharger was going to seem like a lot of waiting, but by the time we unloaded the kids out of the car, went to the bathroom, etc, the car was already charged. Being forced to stop every couple of hundred miles was really not that bad. Broke up the tr…

100%. Tesla is THE car for long roadtrips in the US and the narrative otherwise needs to stop. CURRENT Superchargers charge up to 600 miles per hour. COMPLETELY dead to COMPLETELY full is like 30 minutes. But most stops to charge will only last long enough for you to pee and grab a red bull NEW superchargers charge up to 1000 miles per hour. Do the math. You're going to have to start jogging if you want your redbull…

What really needs to stop is the fanboi narrative of "I drive my glorious Tesla like that (and damn the compriomises) so YOU BETTER LOVE IT TOO, AAARGGGHHHH!!!!!!"

If it works for your roadtrips, great. For mine it doesn't, and anyone telling me that I should enjoy spending an hour in some crummy location in the middle of nowhere waiting for the thing to charge (but only to 80%, or your battery will lose capacity!) are probably the same people who enjoy Elon's fart jokes.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by [deleted] »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #235
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #229

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I’m not a Tesla owner but it does seem to me that buying in to the company that has single handedly changed the landscape of electric vehicles is a pretty exciting notion. I’d be happier to have a vehicle built on seemingly better principles and support the company even if they’re not perfect. But then I use Linux even though it’s difficult at times because what I am using is more important than any specific flaws it…

It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by stale2002 »

prongletown wrote: post #203
stale2002 wrote: post #158

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Some stay around. Others don't. So your statement does not invalidate the original point.

My comment is based on my interpretation of the original point. But I feel like you're pointlessly nitpicking, which is against the hn rules, so please read those.

No, the main thrust of the original point is that Tesla's actions may not be illegal, because some laws don't apply.

And my comment addresses that.

Instead, it would be nit picking to say "well, actually, some laws do apply, and since you said all laws accidentally, that makes you wrong!".

In reality, whatever actions the Tesla car in question did, might not be illegal because some laws might not apply.

The original point, that maybe the Tesla car didn't do anything illegal, could be true.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #225
leesec wrote: post #214

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Also owner of a TM3. Best car I've ever owned by a lot. People sure do get mad about Blutooth. Also, at least they're able to have a 'software direction'. Not aware of any other manufacturer who provides anywhere near this level of OTA upgrades. And obviously the autopilot team is a different one than the people installing games. Chill.

Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

>But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it.

Nobody wants to look like they pissed their money away so popular expensive stuff gets the benefit of the doubt whether it deserves it or not. For example:

When your Tesla has a shitty interface it's your fault for being too dumb to use it right. When your BMW makes you go through one too many menus to change the GPS routing preferences it's the Germans over-complicating things.

When your S10 snaps in half it's a piece of shit. When your Tacoma snaps in half it's the government's fault for salting the road

When you break a Harbor Freight wrench the wrench sucks. When you break a Snap On you were abusing it.

When the server misunderstands what you said at a 5-star restaurant its your fault for not being clear. When the server at the burger joint does it they're an idiot.

When something is spilled at Whole Foods they haven't cleaned it up yet. When something is spilled at Walmart it's because the store is a dump.

When someone breaks into your car in SF it's because they need to feed their family. When someone's breaks into your car in Buffalo it's because Buffalo is too dysfunctional to control crime.

I'm generalizing a bit here with these examples but you get the point.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

bobsil1 wrote: post #260
xedeon wrote: post #83

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Anecdotes from people who voted with their money > random opinions on the internet.

It's the usual effect: you mostly get 5 stars and 1 stars. Broad middle not motivated to post.

I think you're missing the point... It's people who have not even used the product that I'm talking about here. Akin to those who claimed that the iPhone is stupid because it lacked a QWERTY keyboard. History have proven all of those people wrong and Apple changed the entire smartphone industry...

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by bradlys »

gameswithgo wrote: post #145
bradlys wrote: post #128

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> I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. > Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb. Why do they feel dumb? I hear this kind of stuff but I don't get it. Do you still do all the things you did with your old cars but now with your Tesla?

instant torque available all the time. everyone loves big v8s because of this, electric cars do it more. and without any drivetrain lashing, no pauses or upsetting the car for shifting

Is that it though? I mean, I get the appeal of torque but there's more to cars than a straight line pull.
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