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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by Isinlor »

erik_landerholm wrote: post #100

I feel like a lot of commenters on here must first be hearing of this or have not even looked into the tic-tac case even a small amount. You have a top gun pilot and his WSO on record saying they saw it visually along with a huge underwater craft. It moved in ways that nothing using conventional propulsion can. Hovering for example is extremely difficult, made all the harder with no wings, blades or visible exhaust.…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If there is even slight doubt about credibility of a claim of extraterrestrial technology, then there is no extraordinary evidence.

Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Don't waste people time.

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Post by AgentME »

newnewpdro wrote: post #279
TeMPOraL wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two mundane phenomena to investigate: the first part sounds like an issue with optics and/or software; I assume attempting to range something involves moving optical elements. Your description does read a bit like attempting autofocus with a damaged lens system. As for diamonds, this does sound like a kaleidoscope, which again suggests broken optics.

Presumably they would have noticed broken optics at some point between that event and sharing this story today.

Who repairs or dusts off the optics? The maintenance person probably didn't even know that someone once thought they saw something with it in order to know to tell them it turned out to be broken.

Any mundane explanation like that is so much more likely than it being alien or super secret technology.

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Post by rblion »

reilly3000 wrote: post #186
rblion wrote: post #11

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thanks! going to listen now with a cup of tea, great way to end the day.

I’m not personally convinced about the veracity of all of that, but I’m amazed at the scope and specificity of what they discuss. The reality I see is several hundred thousand people can believe virtually anything, and all agree with each other. Look at the anti-vax movement, which today compared itself with the civil rights movement. Also, flat-earth and creation science come to mind. I can’t say if any of these are…

I couldn't listen all the way through, it was interesting at times but just a lot of the same circular arguments and assumptions. I'm pretty much done with the UFO topic unless something revolutionary or unprecedented happens. It's a diversion, a distraction.

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Post by rblion »

twiceaday wrote: post #170
rblion wrote: post #95

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I think all -isms are an ego trap. I'd like to stop there. I don't care to be validated as an experiencer or as a skeptic, both are extreme points of view if you ask me. Some people jump straight to aliens, others jump straight to bullshit. I would give this more time but I need to go to bed, I've spent more time in this thread than I thought I would.

You said very little, I asked you to clarify, this is a cop-out. You have a faulty definition of skepticism, it is an easy-for-you-to-attack caricature. Plus, you've made no claims that require skepticism. You only implied them. I asked you to make them explicit but you got cold feet or something. This, combined with your comments in the other thread about wanting to believe there is something greater and that we are…

No, it's more a way to save time. People either dismiss things like with 'ball lightning' 'dogfighting' 'laserpointers' or they jump to 'aliens' 'secret machines'. I'm good on this discussion, it's not mission critical to what I am doing and I don't see the value of continuing it. Nobody knows what they are, they just have theories. I am okay with it being a mystery, I'm sure I'll see them again and I'll get video next time.

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

I read somewhere that it's much easier to convince people of conspiracy theories once they have doubt in one. It is my theory that the UFO phenomenon is a means of injecting doubt into people's minds to make them a bit paranoid and question the reality of things. Once they believe something is going on or have doubts, it's easier to sell them on other half truths, lies and conspiracy theories. I have no proof of this but I suspect a vast majority of ultra conservative voters exhibit mental frameworks of people who believe in conspiracy theories. UFO coverage could be means of creating doubt and reinforcing conservative behavior. In short - it's a play to create, recruit and retain the ultra conservatives for the sole purpose of voting. Of course I realize the irony of my statement considering this in itself sounds like a woowoo conspiracy theory.

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Post by mcphage »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #241
mcphage wrote: post #223

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> I don't know, the video didn't show me that the objects traveled at any speed That’s because you’re watching a YouTube video that was filmed on a potato, instead of actually, y’know, being there .

Well my point is all the conjecture of this unexplained supersonic movement is all hearsay based off eye witnesses. I don't trust eye witnesses, maybe they saw something maybe they didn't, but I haven't seen anything that seems to hold any water.

I do get that. On the other hand, if you look at the believability hierarchy—while eye witnesses rank pretty low, drive-by internet commentators rank significantly lower still.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

typeformer wrote: post #207
one2know wrote: post #31

The videos are of real aircraft recorded through a FLIR pod. When zoomed out far enough the aircraft simply look like fuzzy ovals as demonstrated in this video https://youtu.be/jWjpnCKcj8M?t=136 For some reason people in the military and government are trolling the public, perhaps as part of a campaign to discredit news agencies.

Explain why Raytheon's Director of Engineering also believes that they captured a ET craft, they've even used it in their marketing! https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/uap_atflir

I think you just answered your own question...

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

rblion wrote: post #103
nowandlater wrote: post #90

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Only once: While on an Army training exercise at Fort Irwin California, through the IR scope of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, at night (~ 9:45 PM) in the summer of 2009. I was gazing at the exhaust of a hovering black hawk when a perfectly spherical, very hot, object moved into my field of view. It was behind the helicopter, and as I followed it I realized It was rotating 360 degrees -- at an unknown distance -- around…

Were you able to get any footage? Yeah, we are both in the same place. I want to be a rational as possible but I also want to believe we are not alone in the universe. This is as human of a feeling as I know, right?

It's likely we are not alone but it's highly unlikely any sophisticated life forms would ever cross paths due to the sheer scale of the universe.

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Post by tatersolid »

carbocation wrote: post #238
ceejayoz wrote: post #47

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What's wrong with that? That's how you'd typically take off from a carrier. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterburner#/media/File:FA18_o... As long as you don't exceed the max speed for the gear, no problem.

Along the lines of `groby_b's comment - the elevation and orientation didn't make me think of a carrier takeoff. Rather, at a quick glance this looked like a photoshop. Although there is something about the F22's and F35's coatings that often make me think they look photoshopped.

Those coatings are designed to absorb radar, and as a side effect absorb visual frequencies “differently” than “normal” objects we’re used to seeing.

Taken to the next level, anything coated with something like Vantablack [1] “looks phtotoshopped” based on our previous visual experiences with everyday materials.

[1] https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/08/27/bmw-vbx6-vantablack-the-w...

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Post by arrakeen »

anon234345566 wrote: post #214

Lots of people like to think about alien vessels, UFOs, in a positive light. But very few though about how would world powers would actually react to dangerous aliens, like something that could just drill into your advanced air defenses without leaving any trace all available sensors. One possible outcome could be just to agree to keep their presence under plausible deniability, just till something lands somewhere in…

the new york times had an article a few years back that touched on the issue of what might happen when we do make extra terrestrial contact: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/magazine/greetings-et-ple...
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