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Eat less meat: UN climate change report calls for change to human diet

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Re: Eat less meat: UN climate change report calls for change to human diet

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

thelittleone wrote: post #111

We're creatures of habit. The pattern of breakfast, lunch and dinner means I'm usually "hungry" before breakfast, lunch and dinner. I was feeling hungry about dinner time a while back, but I couldn't decide what to eat so I skipped. I woke the next morning and didn't feel hungry at all. That seemed odd to me. So I skipped breakfast and ate lunch only (same portion size as normal) and continued to do so for six weeks.…

I believe you're right. We didn't evolve to eat regular meals, but rather to gorge when there was abundance, then starve/fast during the in-between periods. Probably water was the one thing that we had regularly from day to day.

I've moved to a calorie-limited diet, myself, and the effects on my health have been dramatic. My acid reflux has subsided; it disappeared when I went low carb for a month and has not come back, even though I've added fruit carbs back in to my diet. I'm down over 20 pounds, and hoping to lose another 20 or so, while at the same time working out and replacing fat with muscle mass.

We can be healthier, if we try. Unfortunately, our modern societies, especially here in North America, encourage excessive eating with all of the sad results that are evident if you go out in public and observe the clinical obesity that is commonplace.

Re: Eat less meat: UN climate change report calls for change to human diet

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Post by thelittleone »

Gatsky wrote: post #137
thelittleone wrote: post #111

We're creatures of habit. The pattern of breakfast, lunch and dinner means I'm usually "hungry" before breakfast, lunch and dinner. I was feeling hungry about dinner time a while back, but I couldn't decide what to eat so I skipped. I woke the next morning and didn't feel hungry at all. That seemed odd to me. So I skipped breakfast and ate lunch only (same portion size as normal) and continued to do so for six weeks.…

Great comment. I too have experienced great benefits from fasting. Humans evolved under conditions of food scarcity. I think we are actually ‘designed’ to be fasting most of the time.

The scarcity concept is one I really connect with also. A bit extreme, but there's a 30 day water fast (supervised) that's meant to be life changing. From what I recall the believe is that eating as a coping mechanism stores that trauma in the lipids. 30 days burns through it all.

Re: Eat less meat: UN climate change report calls for change to human diet

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Post by LegitShady »

berdon wrote: post #258
LegitShady wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what was the life expectancy? what was the standard of living? trying to call back to 1930s belarus as an example to live from is crazy. It doesn't even logically follow that we should avoid meat because poor farmers in belarus didn't each much. Where's the logical argument?

Is this just being down voted because of tone? The premise seems valid: just because you can "survive" off of a low-to-no protein diet doesn't mean it should be espoused.

I find posts about vegan/vegetarian lifestyles to heavily vote in lockstep. People don't like it when someone points out that something that seems to confirm their bias actually contains no logical argument.

Tone is something you read into things, as much as is written into them. If someone is responding because of a perceived tone, it would be wise of them to consider if they're being as aggressive as they accuse the other side of being.

Also, I dont mind being downvoted, I just wish someone would provide a logical argument in response.

Re: Eat less meat: UN climate change report calls for change to human diet

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Post by matz1 »

jfnixon wrote: post #117
Nyandalized wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the government already has the right and power to control what people eat. People form the government, and people (ideally) choose the people to hold that power. In part I, too have the right to control what people eat through voting.

Great, that means we can vote to require meat at every meal. Don't like it? Too bad, so sad, we have the right to control what you eat.

Yes, its going to be not easy but at very least if you are meat eater, you should fight for the law to ban meat to ever become reality.

Re: Eat less meat: UN climate change report calls for change to human diet

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #266
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #256

In the early 1800s, there were an estimated 60 million bison in North America. They were hunted nearly to extinction, and today there are an estimated 31,000 (wikipedia). Meanwhile, there are about 120 million cattle in the U.S. and Canada (over a billion worldwide). It's possible that cattle therefore have a larger impact on the ecology than did the buffalo, but there were always large grazing herds in the world, an…

Neat for you, but probably not scalable. Hunting and gathering always had that problem. For the other 6 billion people on the planet, big Ag is all that's going to feed them.

Not scalable to 7b people, but maybe applicable to a few more millions of people in North America, for example, where meat consumption per capita is very high. Imagine the impact on the meat industry if one million more households in North America decided to keep chickens in the back yard, for example.

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Post by thelittleone »

sphix0r wrote: post #219
thelittleone wrote: post #111

We're creatures of habit. The pattern of breakfast, lunch and dinner means I'm usually "hungry" before breakfast, lunch and dinner. I was feeling hungry about dinner time a while back, but I couldn't decide what to eat so I skipped. I woke the next morning and didn't feel hungry at all. That seemed odd to me. So I skipped breakfast and ate lunch only (same portion size as normal) and continued to do so for six weeks.…

I'm a faster too and have more energy as well. No more energy drain after a big meal. Another advantage of fasting is that you spend less time on food. Our western society involves a lot of time on food(breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks).

Yeah the time saved surprised me also. No more "hmmm what to eat for... " only one meal a day. I was surprised to learn how much time I spend thinking of either what to eat, or eating or digesting it in a food coma :)

Re: Eat less meat: UN climate change report calls for change to human diet

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Post by eitland »

jokoon wrote: post #273

Unless you properly regulate capitalism, is it still capitalism? I don't want to accuse capitalism because it often falls into the whole "is socialism bad", "mao and stalin murdered people so socialism is dangerous", but it's difficult to not correlate environmental issues and growth policies related to capitalism. I guess communist states also had environmental issues? What about current socialist states? I mean how…

I think you are right:

I'm fairly certain socialist states polluted just as bad as capitalist states. As far as I'm aware they also did so in a more wasteful way, i.e. they produced less goods and services for the same pollution.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

academic_nimrod wrote: post #244
throwaway3627 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never going to happen without leadership to force people to change. People are too stuck in their ways, even though meat agriculture is terrible for these reasons: - antibiotic resistance - air, water and soil pollution - climate change - inefficient calorie, phosphorus and land utilization - pandemic evolution - and of course cruelty to animals Eating meat is a choice to doom yourself, everyone else and the planet.…

What you mean by "vital action"? Sounds authoritarian. Shouldn't people vote on these sorts of things, with democracy and all?

A matter of philosophy. Which is more important: the continuation of civilized human society, or democratic ideals?

Personally, I'm not actually sure. The human race, like all things, is ultimately doomed so surely some consideration for values outside those of mere survival is necessary.

Re: Eat less meat: UN climate change report calls for change to human diet

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

vorpalhex wrote: post #277
nullreference00 wrote: post #257

produce less meat Eating less meat just means more waste. We need to stop talking about climate change as a problem individuals can solve with ecological lifestyle choices. We need international economic planning and the seizure of carbon extracting industry.

> the seizure of carbon extracting industry It sounds like what you mean is that you want some government or government like entity to take down big beef/pork/chicken. What the actual version of that would be is some government-esque entity taking over a bunch of farms and murdering their cows/pigs/chickens and forcibly unemploying large groups of people. Alternatively that might mean some government-esque entity inv…

The OP could be meaning seizure as in 'to stop' rather than 'to take'?
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