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Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I should like to turn down an offer from AWS but first they'll need to extend one.

But I agree that Amazon's recruiting is hot garbage, they even spam your inbox with surveys requesting feedback while they already ghosted you in the interview process because they have decided to not continue!

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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You and me both. I had to walk out of an interview because the interviewer had become borderline rude and I could not think of anything at all professional to respond with. Here's to future self-employment!

How'd you walk out? "Sorry, but I'd like to respect both of our time and end my candidacy here"?

I literally shot up out of my seat, offered my hand and said 'thanks for your time!' and got the hell out of there.

Not the smoothest, but it was just time for me to leave.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Not every financial firm is that paranoid. Many are, though - i got offered a job in London that your description would fit perfectly! Still, i ended up working at a firm that's the polar opposite of that. I'll also disagree with you about money. Once you have enough to cover all your needs and few wants a year, more money starts to get interesting , because then it goes directly into building financial independence.…

> Once you have enough to cover all your needs and few wants a year, more money starts to get interesting, because then it goes directly into building financial independence. I agree with you in theory, but even if you made $200,000 more a year than you need, how many years will you have to work at a crappy high paying job to save up enough to do any of those things? The only way to build that kind of wealth is eithe…

If you put 200,000 per year at a 10% discount rate (interest rate) in the bank, the fair value after 30 years is 1.8m. In other words, a rational person should take 1.8m now vs 200,000 a year for 30 years (at 10%). And this 10% is very very generous, if you're arbitraging between the risk free rate and the equity rate it looks a lot fucking better.

I make around 23% YoY on my investments taking a leveraged high volatility strategy and let me tell you, at that kind of return, saving a little returns a big ass dividend.

In short, saving a lot can net you huge money, enough to change your life.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I've also turned down countless Amazon interview offers. In fact, I don't get how I'm still on their recruitment lists after asking several times to be removed. Amazon has arguably the worst culture out of any large tech company, and generally treats its workers like dirt. Given all my friends that worked for them, almost all have quit within 5 years. Given their abysmal warehouse management, it's no surprise they ha…

My doctor is in South Lake Union in Seattle, near a number of Amazon buildings. She hates Amazon with a passion, after seeing so many people in their 20s with health issues they shouldn't have until their 40s or 50s. There's no chance I'd entertain so much as a conversation with a recruiter.

That's pretty interesting, any idea what issues she is seeing that's atypical for this age group?

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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What’s crazy is that I have a very light LinkedIn profile, what I do have shows I graduated from a no name college over 20 years ago and that I am your bog standard Microsoft Enterprise Developer/Architect. Yet and still Facebook/Google recruiters are “impressed” with my profile and would glad to have me interview. They are no better than the foreign spammer recruiters. Ironically enough, the two companies that I do…

Ha! I similarly "impress" recruiters with my LinkedIn as well, which is amazing, because I've gone out of my way to make it as useless as possible. For instance, I list my current title as "brogrammer." All past history is similar one-liner descriptions. Yet recruiters remain "impressed", and think all my "skills" (not listed) are a great fit for "shaping the future of [X]"

When I’m feeling particularly trollish, I sometimes ask those recruiters “what specifically impressed you?” I have yet to get an answer.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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There is no such thing as a "recruitment list" to be removed from, unless you remove all traces of yourself from the internet. Sourcers don't work from a shared list. Also, you might be surprised to hear how often people will say "no" at one point, and later say "yes." Circumstances change. Asking again later works.

Yep it is simply a numbers game for recruiters. I've always wondered what their percentages are. They have to be extremely low.

Percentages as in how many candidates do they need to source to get one that eventually accepts an offer? I’d wager 1000:1 or thereabouts.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I would bet money that Amazon has an internal LLC/P&L for this type of non-competes and litigation. I can see it now: _We implemented automatic non-compete lawsuits and income and increased 3x/month-over-month._

Non-compete as a Service! Wait for the AWS product code name and API soon /s

AWS RageMaker

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Being an intern is a huge bonus here. My wife got a decent equity grant under the terrible 5/15/../.. plan, but also a 20k cash bonus for each of the first two years for being a returning intern. This makes it very attractive to quit after two years, imo

And yet Facebook offered $50k for retuning interns on their first year. This was 5 years ago when I was an intern manager.

That's nice! In the time I've been in the industry, fb has generally been considered a better payer than amazon, I think. Would you agree?

I was just trying to say that the amazon vesting percentage doesn't adversely affect a returning intern's total first/second year comp.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Correct, it was a "remote whiteboarding session". It has made me absolutely loathe non-interactive sessions. Not being able to run the actual code is ridiculous. Some of the best analysts and programmers I know of are "architecture guys/gals" who can create complex systems but may not knock out the actual code so quickly, or, as I like to call it "error message programmers". Creating an interview test to weed out oth…

This is me. I've used so many different programming languages over the years that for the first week of any new project, I am definitely an error message programmer. It goes something like this on day#1 Okay, I need to iterate through a collection. Which is it again? foreach (int element in elements), no that's C#. for (int element : elements) .. nope that's java for (var element in elements) .. There we go. Probably…

When I see a candidate is not sure about some syntax trivia e.g. indexing expressions in Python, names for some library functions like charAt, size, length etc. I tell them to pick one (make it up) and move on. Though lately I've been using a runnable whiteboard with autocomplete so they have been able to figure it out on their own.

It makes me sad to think how hard it would be to remove bad interviewers like above. But as long as they perform reasonably well they won't get fired, and I don't think there is any interview QC system to feed back into the org. And thus we slowly slide from A to B and C territory...

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Ha! I similarly "impress" recruiters with my LinkedIn as well, which is amazing, because I've gone out of my way to make it as useless as possible. For instance, I list my current title as "brogrammer." All past history is similar one-liner descriptions. Yet recruiters remain "impressed", and think all my "skills" (not listed) are a great fit for "shaping the future of [X]"

When I’m feeling particularly trollish, I sometimes ask those recruiters “what specifically impressed you?” I have yet to get an answer.

Yes did my extensive experience writing line of business and software as a service CRUD apps in C# give you a hint about how well I would do at reversing a binary tree on a whiteboard?
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