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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by entropy_ »

daliusd wrote: post #172
Iv wrote: post #168

Am I the only one to see this as a positive side effect of sanctions? Now Iranians have a legitimate reason to use TOR: bypassing sanctions. Turns out it allows them to bypass censorship as well and brings more people into the Tor network.

I doubt that they use Tor. First Iranian I have talked with after airport security simply shown as VPN app to use that works. I have used SSH tunnel without problems. Censorship is quite weak in Iran and Tor is not necessary.

It's only weak if you have access to a credit card and are able to pay for a VPS or VPN abroad. If you're trying to bypass it using only free(as in beer) tools, it's quite effective as clearly shown by the article.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by flyinglizard »

kweks wrote: post #279
flyinglizard wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sanctions have real, tangible practical effects. It's not just about making them suffer. For example, Hezbollah who are almost exclusively funded by Iran, had their budget cut by half [0]. The military operations Iran undertakes in Syria which are intended to strategically threaten Israel have taken a cut. It's hard to justify supporting proxy wars when the population at home is hungry. [0] https://www.thedailybe…

Hezbollah was created to expel the Israeli invasion in south Lebanon. [1] One thing is for sure: Middle East politics and history has no single (or correct) perspective. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_confl...

Now that Hezbollah covertly built five tunnels extending far into Israeli territory to attack Israeli civilians, you need to ask “who’s invading who?”

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by q31 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #250

I’m always caught by surprise when I see intelligent, educated people ignore the nature and actions of Iran to justify their adversarial feelings towards the US administration. Iran is on an unprecedented aggressive and violent push towards dominating the Middle East. They are deployed in Syria, building forward bases to threaten Israel, destabilize Lebanon and pushing it closer to another war with Israel by funding…

Do you think Iran is worse than the US when it comes to foreign involvement, world domination, destabilising regions, arming militias, assassinations on foreign soil, ballistic missile programmes, proxy wars, human rights violations such as torture, etc.?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by vms20591 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #272
vms20591 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are supporting and funding the Houthis in Yemen who are responsible for the civil war and attacks on Saudi Arabia and Gulf states. They are supporting, funding and arming Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza, both of which are recognized terrorist groups intent on murdering Jews. Saudi does the same, by arming the opposite side. > Finally, Iran hangs gays from cranes. There are right wing fanatics in the "West" who…

"There are right wing fanatics in the "West" who openly are against LGBTQ, trolling them IRL and on social media. Some, calling for violence as well. Pushing those people to depression or cornering them in society, is as worse as hanging them ." Go find yourself some Iranian expat friends and ask them what it's really like to live under the rule of Mullahs, then come back and check if your moral relativism has taken…

I know that Iran is worse, but the West is no saint either, with the atrocities it does around the world. Your country/government is always good when you're not on its bad side. Same goes for mine as well.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by yyyk »

luckylion wrote: post #275
yyyk wrote: post #266

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At the moment the people doing the expelling are Iranians (and their allies) in Syria, and they threaten to do it elasewhere. For whatever it's worth, Palestinians are not being expelled, and furthermore, Israeli presence is not illegal according to resolution 242. In addition, Iran is also even more repressive than SA, because they are killing dissidents outside of their territory, unlike SA. Then again, I don't see…

> In addition, Iran is also even more repressive than SA, because they are killing dissidents outside of their territory, unlike SA. Have you not heard about Jamal Khashoggi? It was a big story a while back. > It's pretty natural for the US to oppose those ideologically hostile to it. Chicken or egg? That is, if the US hadn't engaged in regime change operations in Iran and hadn't supported Saddam in attacking Iran, w…

Khashoggi was killed inside Saudi embassy, that is, Saudi territory. I'm not excusing it, but had he been warned, he could have just avoided going in. Iran tends to kill people outright on foreign soil.

e.g.

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/--intelligence-service-ira...

It's funny that people think that the mullahs have any grudges against the US becuase the US overthrew a 'socialist atheist'. They didn't like Mosaddegh either and in fact took part in his overthrow. Khomeini's grudge was purely ideological.

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Post by Udik »

yyyk wrote: post #266
Udik wrote: post #221

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> What it boils down to for me is which side do you want to win? This is a bit simplistic, isn't it? First, the one between Iran and USA doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. Why is it a matter of states winning or losing? I don't recall Iran waging a war against the US, or trying to destroy civil liberties in the West. For example, with the nuclear agreement, both Iran and the US (or Europe) would have benefited- why…

At the moment the people doing the expelling are Iranians (and their allies) in Syria, and they threaten to do it elasewhere. For whatever it's worth, Palestinians are not being expelled, and furthermore, Israeli presence is not illegal according to resolution 242. In addition, Iran is also even more repressive than SA, because they are killing dissidents outside of their territory, unlike SA. Then again, I don't see…

> At the moment the people doing the expelling are Iranians ... For whatever it's worth, Palestinians are not being expelled

How can you say something like this? It's even happening right now, for example these are today's news:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-jerus...

Just imagine the scene:

"Bulldozers accompanied by hundreds of Israeli soldiers and police moved in to Sur Baher, a Palestinian village on the edge of East Jerusalem

Israeli forces cut through a wire section of the barrier in Sur Baher under cover of darkness early on Monday, and began clearing residents from the area.

Floodlights lit up the area as dozens of vehicles brought helmeted security forces into the village

“Since 2 a.m. they have been evacuating people from their homes by force and they have started planting explosives in the homes they want to destroy”

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by ThrowAwayRedRed »

I'm a developer in Iran too. Just wanted to say this guy works in Douran (شرکت دوران) company, proudly stated in his page (Which screams amateur and narcissist), they are providing the government with many censorship and surveillance software and services.

They are notorious and hated, like death squad level in the free minded, geek community in the country.

I can't believe his post got this much attention and sympathy without anyone noticing he works in a freedom killing company... what a joke!

Sanctions really hurt... good luck using a good cloud provider, which is a backbone for our daily activities as developers. No doubt about that, nothing new.

The problem is our double standards in the middle east, we fuck up everything then blame it on others. They (west, east, x, y) aren't saints but we aren't either. Here is a clear example of this ugly truth.

I know people mostly from minorities (Kurds, atheists, LGBT, secular, Narenji guys) with death sentences in Iran because of their online activities and if there is a single corporation you can easily blame and point to who lands a hand to the government for their inhuman acts it's them, Douran.

Double standards won't work, you can only fool people for a very short period of time in our era.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by gdy »

entropy_ wrote: post #276
gdy wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Do note, I'm not in any way condemning the US for the way they tend to act around the world, they're just looking out for themselves." So did the Nazi Germany.

First, I may or may not have privately held views about the morality(or lack thereof) of US foreign policy post WW2(hint: If you look at my comment history, you can probably figure it out given where I've stated that I live and some oblique comments pertaining to the subject). However, the above comment was specifically meant to not make a statement about the subject so as not to fan the flames any further, but only…

Clearing Lebensraum from lesser races had everything to do with Nazi Germany looking for its own interests.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by [deleted] »

kweks wrote: post #279
flyinglizard wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sanctions have real, tangible practical effects. It's not just about making them suffer. For example, Hezbollah who are almost exclusively funded by Iran, had their budget cut by half [0]. The military operations Iran undertakes in Syria which are intended to strategically threaten Israel have taken a cut. It's hard to justify supporting proxy wars when the population at home is hungry. [0] https://www.thedailybe…

Hezbollah was created to expel the Israeli invasion in south Lebanon. [1] One thing is for sure: Middle East politics and history has no single (or correct) perspective. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_confl...

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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by jakobegger »

flyinglizard wrote: post #250

I’m always caught by surprise when I see intelligent, educated people ignore the nature and actions of Iran to justify their adversarial feelings towards the US administration. Iran is on an unprecedented aggressive and violent push towards dominating the Middle East. They are deployed in Syria, building forward bases to threaten Israel, destabilize Lebanon and pushing it closer to another war with Israel by funding…

Because you are not sanctioning only the military and the government, you are sanctioning everyone in the country. You are sanctioning young people, who just want to live their lives, just like we do. They already suffer from the oppressive regime, and you just want to make their live even harder.

All the Iranians I've met seem like completely normal people. I've never been to Iran, but from what I hear the young people in Iran aren't much different from the people here: They like to go to parties, listen to music, etc. The only difference is that they have to do it in hiding, and that they will get arrested when they do something like hold hands in public when they are not married.

Why would anyone approve of sanctions that make these people suffer even more?

And then, when these people start fleeing the country, asking for asylum, why do we turn them away?

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