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Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by floatboth »

saagarjha wrote: post #251
floatboth wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, WebKit is an engine. It ships with small demo browsers for some platforms (minibrowser for gtk, at least) but that's it. You might be confused by Apple calling its nightly Safari builds "WebKit technical preview" or whatever. It (used to) show up as "WebKit.app", but it's literally Apple Safari.

"Safari" is a proprietary browser that uses WebKit, which is open source. Safari Technology Preview (purple Safari) and WebKit.app (black Safari) are just Safari, but with the WebKit swapped out through various methods. Oh, and MiniBrowser works on macOS as well.

> WebKit.app (black Safari) are just Safari, but with the WebKit swapped out through various methods

yes, that's exactly what I said

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by Improvotter »

I've switched to Firefox over the last few weeks. It definitely feels faster on my desktop PC which runs Linux, also no problem in Windows when dual-booted.

Though there are two big issues imo:

- When running Firefox on my late 2013 Macbook Pro, it doesn't feel as fast as Chrome or Safari, it feels very sluggish. I am forced to use h264ify to force YouTube to use h264 instead of VP8/9 as it makes my Macbook Pro turn into a steam engine. Besides the fact that this is Google's fault and its "monopoly?", it all around just feels slower elsewhere as well and it takes more power compared to even Chrome it seems to me.

- Lastly it does not sync all of my settings that I want. Why does it not do that? I run Firefox on Linux, MacOS, and Windows and I have to change my settings everywhere every time I make a change and it's a pita. Google Chrome just syncs all of my settings across all of my devices except for extension settings (which is a bummer).

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by techntoke »

nottorp wrote: post #128

Interesting that the adblock thing is finally nudging people away from Chrome. I've found it disrespectful of its users long ago. The last straw for me was when it started to prevent my computer from sleeping because some unspecified page had active WebRTC connections. There is no option to disable WebRTC in Chrome. I don't understand: why do they dare prevent my system from sleeping just because some page is doing s…

There is no adblock thing. Chrome isn't disabling adblockers. They are changing the API to speed it up and extension developers are whining because they have to make some changes which will give users better performance.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by saagarjha »

floatboth wrote: post #281
saagarjha wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Safari" is a proprietary browser that uses WebKit, which is open source. Safari Technology Preview (purple Safari) and WebKit.app (black Safari) are just Safari, but with the WebKit swapped out through various methods. Oh, and MiniBrowser works on macOS as well.

> WebKit.app (black Safari) are just Safari, but with the WebKit swapped out through various methods yes, that's exactly what I said

You seemed to conflate Safari Technology Preview with the WebKit nightlies, when they are in fact different things and structured differently and used for different things (the former acts much more like a "standalone Safari" than does the latter, which is essentially just the WebKit frameworks loaded in to your existing Safari).

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by techntoke »

TLDR: We need to give Firefox 0days more chances to be exploited and let them forget to renew certificates which disables all addons; and help run anti-Chrome campaigns every day on HN.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by latexr »

hrktb wrote: post #242
latexr wrote: post #108

I’m tired of seeing “change to Firefox” arguments that never address its faults. Particularly on macOS, Firefox is unusable for many users — read this thread and any others on HN where Firefox is the topic, and you’ll find the same complaints: * Lack of AppleScript support (my main complaint, every other was lifted from other comments). * Lack of other basic features such as pinch-to-zoom. * Poor Keychain support. *…

I think the rethoric is targeting Chrome users. Users fully satisfied with Safari won’t find that much to bite by going to firefox.

I’m also not fully satisfied with Safari (poor control over privacy — content blocking is weaker than uBlock Origin, and you can’t disable cookies and javascript on a per-site basis).

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by latexr »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #160
latexr wrote: post #108

I’m tired of seeing “change to Firefox” arguments that never address its faults. Particularly on macOS, Firefox is unusable for many users — read this thread and any others on HN where Firefox is the topic, and you’ll find the same complaints: * Lack of AppleScript support (my main complaint, every other was lifted from other comments). * Lack of other basic features such as pinch-to-zoom. * Poor Keychain support. *…

> And this article comes out just after reports of a 0-day exploit of Firefox on macOS Chrome also has regular zero-days.

Yes, I’m saying the timing is not the best because this one was serious and is still fresh; if you’re already discontent with Firefox, articles trying to convince you to switch won’t do the job, right now.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by httpsterio »

iamdamian wrote: post #164
sorenjan wrote: post #135

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> Now we just need Mozilla to come up with a more modern-looking logo. You're in luck: https://blog.mozilla.org/press-uk/2019/06/11/firefox-the-evo...

I'm excited to see this and hope it means they recognize the importance of modern UX.

Brand and UX have nothing to do with each other. UI and UX are barely related.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by devcpp »

vntok wrote: post #167
dontbenebby wrote: post #129

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I'm the same way. I tried Chrome when it was new but at the time it didn't have a NoScript equivalent so I went back to FF.

Chrome has had NoScript equivalents for a while, you should try it again!

"at the time"

Also, I see no benefit to "trying out Chrome". I use it often for a few broken webpages (blame the devs but there are really few) or on co-workers' computers and find no benefit whatsoever. Firefox has all of its features and much more. As far as I'm concerned: tree style tabs, containers, privacy and flawless ad-blocking.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by iamdamian »

httpsterio wrote: post #288
iamdamian wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm excited to see this and hope it means they recognize the importance of modern UX.

Brand and UX have nothing to do with each other. UI and UX are barely related.

Clicking an icon to start an application is absolutely a part of user experience. What’s more, my comment is about how one change can indicate a deeper and more meaningful change in organization.
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