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Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by mavhc »

vonmoltke wrote: post #173
sizzzzlerz wrote: post #134

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In general, I would agree. However, the longer that old technology is deployed, the more expensive support costs. Parts become obsolete, engineers retire or move on, IT has to maintain archaic devices, operating systems, and tools.

> However, the longer that old technology is deployed, the more expensive support costs. That's true, but military logistics has adapted to mitigate some of these costs. > Parts become obsolete There are two ways this is dealt with. The first is an activity called Diminishing Materials Suppliers (DMS). DMS is an ongoing support activity during production where the availability of parts is monitored and alternative pa…

The problem of your people being hit by a bus is much higher in the military.

What's crazy about these systems is they spend decades writing millions of lines of code, and then only put it in 200 devices.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by burfog »

magduf wrote: post #205
akiselev wrote: post #159

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We literally spend tens of billions of dollars a year keeping a significant fraction of the domestic agricultural industry afloat in the name of national security. We do the same with energy, oil, raw materials, and pretty much anything logistically critical in a war. I think you vastly underestimate the lengths our military industrial complex goes to protect operational capabilities. The F22 is as much a beneficiary…

The military-industrial complex will throw money at things, but only in stupid ways. Are they creating jobs paying $500k for engineers to work in this sector and keep them interested in this kind of work and these ancient technologies? Of course not. So where do you think they're going to find the talent needed? Feel free to apply for some jobs in the defense sector to find out how much they pay. You'll make more mon…

Right, we should all work for FAANG companies. Likewise, why wouldn't any person who loves sports work for the NBA instead of as a gym teacher?

You'll make more money working as an NBA player, and you don't have to wait years for a teaching certificate to be approved. Jobs in schools, in particular, are pretty lousy paying compared to what sports lovers are getting elsewhere.

The fact that FAANG companies employ about 0.1% of the software developers could have something to do with this. Practically speaking, nobody works for the NBA or for a FAANG company.

So it is a silly comparison. Defense contractors can and do beat plenty of normal companies. For example, Tesla pays software developers just $78k to $147k. Defense contractors can beat that before even adjusting for quality of life. You can work a 40-hour week, or you can have Elon Musk cracking the whip. The defense contractor positions are frequently in affordable locations, making the numbers a far better deal than they would appear.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by burfog »

dvdbloc wrote: post #56

So a couple of the comments here have been mentioning the high pay of people with specialties like this in the context of LM and other defense contractors. My impression from Glassdoor and general conversation with software developers has been the DCs pay pretty low for software in general compared to FAANG or even other engineering companies. Is it true that people with obscure specialties at places like LM can comm…

They pay quite well if you measure that by how many hours of work you must do to pay a mortgage on a nice home. This is because:

1. It's typically a 40-hour week. They legally can't make you work 48 or more without paying overtime, and many will start paying overtime after 40.

2. You don't have to live in an expensive place like San Francisco, Palo Alto, Mountain View, or New York City. The worst cases are usually the DC area and San Diego, but typical locations are far cheaper. Instead of $2,000,000 for a house, you might pay $120,000 for a better house. Everything around you is cheaper too, from food to electricity. Gasoline is half the cost.

The choice is pretty clear if you hope to raise a family.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by dmitriy_ko »

chaostheory wrote: post #249
commandlinefan wrote: post #239

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Actually I'd be surprised if they're even paying market rate for these developers, regardless of how difficult or impossible it is to find them. COBOL programmers still make about $70,000/year or so ( https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/cobol-programmer-salary-S... ) even though the entire world is going to collapse if they disappear. It would seem that the laws of supply and demand don't apply here.

It reminds me of the market for rubber. It's such an essential resource that's being threatened by mold, climate change, and more profitable crops, yet prices don't seem to reflect reality.

Synthetic rubber has been invented over 100 years ago. Modern synthetic rubber is better and cheaper than natural.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by jeffrallen »

cpach wrote: post #277
Torwald wrote: post #264

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Sounds interesting. Can you point me to a COBOL listing that shows some of this difference?

You might want to have a look at the Rosetta Code wiki. They have a lot of COBOL code there. http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:COBOL I don’t know COBOL though so I can’t say if this code is idiomatic or not.

Well, it is less than 100000 lines and less than 50 years old, so no, it is not idiomatic.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by chrisbennet »

dmitriy_ko wrote: post #284
chaostheory wrote: post #249

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It reminds me of the market for rubber. It's such an essential resource that's being threatened by mold, climate change, and more profitable crops, yet prices don't seem to reflect reality.

Synthetic rubber has been invented over 100 years ago. Modern synthetic rubber is better and cheaper than natural.

That what I thought. A show on tv made me question my assumption. Airplane tires and products depend on natural rubber.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by cpach »

jeffrallen wrote: post #285
cpach wrote: post #277

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You might want to have a look at the Rosetta Code wiki. They have a lot of COBOL code there. http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:COBOL I don’t know COBOL though so I can’t say if this code is idiomatic or not.

Well, it is less than 100000 lines and less than 50 years old, so no, it is not idiomatic.

Touché :)

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by dredmorbius »

inetsee wrote: post #204
magduf wrote: post #152

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You should apply, and demand an insanely-high salary while pointing out that almost no one has VAX experience now.

When we retired my wife and I fled Atlanta at top speed. I don't know if the job is in Marietta, GA or Ft. Worth (the job listing seems to have disappeared) but I doubt if even an insanely high salary could get us to move to either of those locations.

California:

Perform on-aircraft troubleshooting of the F-22 Avionics Systems in support of the F-22 flight test program at Edwards Air Force Base (AFB)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190618050109/https://www.lockh...

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by magduf »

burfog wrote: post #282
magduf wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The military-industrial complex will throw money at things, but only in stupid ways. Are they creating jobs paying $500k for engineers to work in this sector and keep them interested in this kind of work and these ancient technologies? Of course not. So where do you think they're going to find the talent needed? Feel free to apply for some jobs in the defense sector to find out how much they pay. You'll make more mon…

Right, we should all work for FAANG companies. Likewise, why wouldn't any person who loves sports work for the NBA instead of as a gym teacher? You'll make more money working as an NBA player, and you don't have to wait years for a teaching certificate to be approved. Jobs in schools, in particular, are pretty lousy paying compared to what sports lovers are getting elsewhere. The fact that FAANG companies employ abou…

>For example, Tesla pays software developers just $78k to $147k.

Citation needed. That seems suspiciously low for silicon valley.

>Likewise, why wouldn't any person who loves sports work for the NBA instead of as a gym teacher?

Your argument doesn't make much sense here. You trot out this line, but then you try to make the case that defense contractors pay well (which isn't really my experience; they pay OK (except for "cyber" positions which are paying really well currently), but nothing fantastic compared to non-defense companies in other non-silicon-valley areas), so it doesn't follow. Gym teacher jobs pay close to poverty-level wages, so accordingly, the people who take those jobs are usually people who aren't good athletes themselves, or maybe people who have a spouse with a good income and can afford to have a job for the fun of it.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by sesteel »

devonkim wrote: post #246
sesteel wrote: post #178

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It should be noted: Amazon is a defense contractor. Google is/was a defense contractor. Apple is a defense contractor. Microsoft is a defense contractor. SpaceX is a defense contractor. IBM is a defense contractor. ...

There’s a huge difference between having your primary business being services projects basically as an extension of the government and your revenue center being unrelated private sector funding. Your corporate structure and business incentives are completely different as a result. I know Lockheed spend many millions of dollars trying to build a DoD-centric IaaS as AWS was being built and it didn’t really matter in th…

Not when talking about payscales. To say defense contractors don't pay FAANG salaries when FAANG companies are in the defense business is a failure of awareness. I was simply pointing this out.
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