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Re: Android now forces apps to include proprietary code for push notifications

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Post by officeplant » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:57 PM UTC

jasonvorhe wrote: post #264

Despegar wrote: post #170

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The difference is Apple has been the same from the beginning. There was no bait and switch. People who bought Apple products knew what Apple was and will be and what the terms were. With Google there is a bait and switch (and it doesn't really just apply to this particular story). They came to market defining themselves as the open alternative to Apple to get market share and developer interest (and evangelism), and…

Who exactly is buying Android phones based on the premise of openness vs "they're cheaper", "it was a subsidized new phone from my carrier"?

Personally I've always bought Android (and while it lasted Firefox OS) phones because of the option to easily tinker with the phones. If/When pure linux phones make a come back I'll be moving on to them. Of course nerds being nerds is an outlier.

Re: Android now forces apps to include proprietary code for push notifications

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Post by scarface74 » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 10:45 PM UTC

soulofmischief wrote: post #279

scarface74 wrote: post #256

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I don't know of anyone personally who is happy that Apple disallows GPL code. And this is what you call a geek bubble. In the grand scheme of things most people don’t know what the GPL is and out of those, only a minority care about it running on their phone.

Most of my friends are not "geeks", and do not exist in the technological space that I do. I'm not speaking from within a bubble.

So you have friends that are not geeks who know about the GPL and care? This is the opposite of the “No True Scotsman”. Anyone who knows about and cares about the GPL is s geek.

Re: Android now forces apps to include proprietary code for push notifications

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Post by soulofmischief » Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 4:45 AM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #282

soulofmischief wrote: post #279

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Most of my friends are not "geeks", and do not exist in the technological space that I do. I'm not speaking from within a bubble.

So you have friends that are not geeks who know about the GPL and care? This is the opposite of the “No True Scotsman”. Anyone who knows about and cares about the GPL is s geek.

> Anyone who knows about and cares about the GPL is s geek.

No, that would be a regular No True Scotsman.

> So you have friends that are not geeks who know about the GPL and care?

Did I say that? No, I didn't say that. I said I don't know anyone who is happy that Apple disallows GPL. This includes people who have no idea what the GPL is.

Re: Android now forces apps to include proprietary code for push notifications

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Post by pseudalopex » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 10:33 PM UTC

soulofmischief wrote: post #277

pseudalopex wrote: post #241

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The App Store came after the GPL. Also, Apple could let developers opt out of the restrictions.

But they don't, and that's what this conversation is about.

You attributed the incompatibility to the GPL. Apple created the incompatibility. Apple could easily fix it. The FSF can't change existing versions of the GPL.