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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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You mean the cruise control that's already killed people? The cognitive load of not trusting cars around you is now increased by having to worry about not trusting your own car . That's crazy to me. I'm pretty convinced most stress caused by driving is just people driving way too aggressively.

> I'm pretty convinced most stress caused by driving is just people driving way too aggressively. In my experience, the exact opposite seems to be the case. Aggressive drivers tend to move with a purpose, pay attention and react logically (even if recklessly) to events on the road. By contrast, the bored people zoning out while driving, the people stuck on their phones or just clogging up the fast lane while driving…

Sorry I realized my comment could be read two ways.

I meant to say that I think most stress is caused by the person who is stressed driving too aggressively. They care way too much about saving 2 seconds by passing/riding up on people constantly.

I agree with you.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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And lane splitters are paying attention to the road ahead, and are watching to make sure they have enough space, that they have an escape, that there is nothing in the way, and that nobody has a turn signal on or has room to suddenly change lanes. And if any of those isn't true, they stay in their lane and don't split. Lane splitting sounds terrifying if you've never done it, but it's actually very straightforward an…

If you had an escape, it wouldn't be lane splitting. Picture four lanes with four vehicles. You decide to go right down the middle. The outermost vehicles change, being replaced by larger vehicles, but the innermost vehicles haven't seen you. The innermost vehicles move inward to have more distance from the outermost vehicles. The resulting space is physically too small for your body. There is no escape. You go crunc…

>Picture four lanes with four vehicles. You decide to go right down the middle. The outermost vehicles change, being replaced by larger vehicles, but the innermost vehicles haven't seen you.

This might be part of the disconnect here. You aren't "sitting" next to cars, you are passing them. If you aren't actively passing cars, you aren't splitting and should get in your own lane.

A rule of thumb is that you should be passing cars in about a second or so. So any "crunching" would have to happen within that second of time, or the motorcycle will be out in front by the time any contact would have been made.

But in reality that just doesn't happen. Mirrors stick out, and it is extremely rare for 2 cars to get close enough for their mirrors to touch, let alone have a mirror touch the other car.

But also cars just don't go from driving straight to instantly swerving toward another car in the next lane, they have "tells", they start drifting from the driver not paying attention, they act erratically, they have turn signals.

A safe lane splitting scenario that I do is like this.

* Cars are in both lanes, fairly close together so there is no room for people to try and shoot across to fill a gap in the other lane (if the cars are "staggered" like 2 sides of a zipper, that is a dangerous situation that I don't split in, because that is when people are likely to try and shoot into the next lane without any warning!)

* Cars are traveling about 15 to 30mph in both lanes, and there isn't a large speed differential between them (again, if one lane is going 15, and the other 30, people in the 15 lane are likely to try and shoot over to get in the "faster" lane, and sometimes people in the fast lane will try to shoot in to the slow lane so they can get off the next exit)

* I can see several car lengths ahead of me on my bike (bikes sit higher than cars, so you can often see much further ahead and can see over many cars. This also means that splitting is not okay on curves, hills, or when there are big trucks obscuring your view ahead, or if the drivers ahead are staggered in their lanes blocking a nice clean path)

In that situation, I go about 10-ish mph faster than the cars around me (a rule of thumb is you should be passing a car within a second, that equates to around a 10mph speed differential), and while doing this i'm looking at tail lights 3 or 4 cars ahead to see if anyone is stopping suddenly, turning, has a signal on, or is doing anything weird. if at any point things don't look good for splitting any more, I slowly drift back into my lane, slow down to match speed with that lane, and i'm no longer splitting.

If at any point things go really bad, say someone starts getting over toward me, or there is an accident ahead of me or next to me, I grab the brake and very quickly the bad stuff will pass me. And if it doesn't in time, then I'll get munched! That means yes you'll have to go through the insurance stuff for the scrapes and dents in the side of your car, and I'll probably have a broken ankle or a small neck injury, but i'll be alive. Contrast that with the alternative of not splitting where that same accident happens (because if you are drifting into another lane with another car in that lane and you don't see the biker in time, chances are you aren't going to see the car in time either and will smack into it), and when you slam on the breaks because of that, I run into the back of your car at 30mph and am in a LOT worse shape than i would have been in the splitting scenario.

But just like how we have lane markings for a reason, in many areas we also have laws that allow splitting for a reason, and you can't selectively pick and choose which laws you want to follow!

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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- are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? It happens. I use them maybe once a month for the last year and I've only had to wait once. It cost me 10 minutes or so. If you're unlucky you might live near a particularly crowded supercharge and have longer waits. I think the vast majority of owners charge at home 90+% of the time. - do you find yourself chatt…

> The chargers are usually near at least a coffee shop if not an entire mall. With the exception of the occasional long trip, I'm usually not staying long. What happens when the car is fully charged and the owner doesn’t come out for hours?

Not sure if it's still true, but recently I was in a rented Model X, and the encouraged you not to do this by -charging- owners for over-charging, even if they have unlimited charging.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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If you had an escape, it wouldn't be lane splitting. Picture four lanes with four vehicles. You decide to go right down the middle. The outermost vehicles change, being replaced by larger vehicles, but the innermost vehicles haven't seen you. The innermost vehicles move inward to have more distance from the outermost vehicles. The resulting space is physically too small for your body. There is no escape. You go crunc…

>Picture four lanes with four vehicles. You decide to go right down the middle. The outermost vehicles change, being replaced by larger vehicles, but the innermost vehicles haven't seen you. This might be part of the disconnect here. You aren't "sitting" next to cars, you are passing them. If you aren't actively passing cars, you aren't splitting and should get in your own lane. A rule of thumb is that you should be…

This is 100% hoss. If it isn't straight out of some "how to lane split safely" guide, it should be. This is literally everything that's going on in my head when I'm riding through traffic.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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I drove from San Diego to SF in one of my many long trips and most of my charging stops were 10 minutes. I also had two 20 minute stops, one 30 minute, and one 15 minute. The 30 minute stop was near the end where I wanted to arrive home near half full. Food, checking out local shops, and coffee + bathroom break for those three longer stops. For the short stops, it was just get a bit of charge, maybe a quick stretch o…

I was going off of a brand new Model 3 performance review on TopGear.com from the Fremont factory to LA design center, which indicated it was closer to an hour with a single stop. (Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gsS-Q3j_Pk )

I saw that review too. It’s a bit deceptive because it’s not optimal to charge all the way up to ~100% on a supercharger. He could have saved a lot of time by stopping twice (2x 15-20 minute stops instead of one 50-60 minute one)

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Just for your reference, it appears the 520i is not offered in the US. The base model would be the 530i. It doesn't seem like a 530d or a 550d are offered in the US...but for some kind of comparison: with little effort I was able to find a 2019 540i xDrive with the M sport package for $53k on cargurus. Factor in taxes and its $57k. Factor in that I haven't even bothered to check autotrader or shop around emailing/cal…

Ah, I see, you are talking about a second hand car. All the numbers I included in my replies refer to a brand new car delivered to order. For a reference, I just visited a US configurator. A brand new 540i M package is exactly $62550 and the configurator says: "MSRP excludes destination & handling fee of $995, tax, title, license, and registration." Sorry, but a brand new car will be much more expensive then in the U…

I think you are again confused. It’s a brand new car. The MSRP is over 60k, but MSRP != selling price.

Perhaps it’s common to pay MSRP in Germany, but if you’re paying MSRP in the US for a non special vehicle you’re doing it wrong.

> Sorry, but a brand new car will be much more expensive then in the US than in Germany.

You’ve provided no evidence to suggest this is the case.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Are there any problem on long trips if it is to some event that is drawing a lot of people? A couple years ago, when I was planning a trip to the middle of some rural area to see a total solar eclipse, I checkout out of curiosity what the electric charger situation was to see what the trip would be like in an EV. At the time the Tesla network was sparse enough in that area that you'd need to get pretty full charges t…

Having done this drive after the eclipse (and beaten the wave of traffic back to Portland on US-26), using a Model S you might have been able to make it, definitely with the P85 battery pack and no AC (which was not necessary in Madras). The main concern would be not getting trapped in traffic hell, like any other driver. Getting slightly north of Madclipse and other camps, then immediately getting on the road post-e…

> Getting slightly north of Madclipse and other camps, then immediately getting on the road post-eclipse meant almost empty roads for us

I was in that general area. I was in a farmer's field that had sold overnight parking spots for $50, and allowed sleeping in your car. Here's where it was [1].

I heard the first cars starting to leave the instant totality ended.

I waited until about 4 PM to leave, but still got seriously bogged down on 26 heading north only a mile or so away. It stayed bad through the reservation, then got pretty good until it turned to stop and go for large parts of the way through Mt. Hood National Forest. Cleared up well before Portland and was doing great up until Washington, at about 7 PM, where it was crappy most of the way to Tacoma. I'm on the west side of Puget Sound, so that's where I split off to 16, which was fine. It looked like 5 going from Tacoma to Seattle was still terrible...and this was something like midnight.

[1] https://www.google.com/maps/@44.6911503,-121.1509909,1643m

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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There are a lot of conversations about road trips in a Tesla. I have a Model S and have done a few. I honestly believe that is indeed an increased hassle to stop for Supercharging every few hours. I have done it a few times, and these days mostly take my ICE vehicle for long road trips. But, having said, my long road trips (> 250miles) are once in every 3-4 months. And my daily driving is, well, daily. And this where…

Would it be possible to put a gasoline generator in the trunk (vented of course) and wire it into the charging system to increase the range?

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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A Chevy Volt would be perfect for your use case. Disclosure: happy Volt owner that my wife drives 95% around town with the occasional 120-300 mi road trip.

A colleague of mine bought 2x 2018 Chevy Volts recently - after all rebates came out to $18000 cash each for a brand new Volt. Thats a no brainer to me - at 2000$ gas / year - the car pays for itself in 10 years. Unfortunately for most people out there the economics does not work the same way - they cant get to this pricing. But if they could USA would have a much larger share of electric cars.

I'm curious, how do you get a $33k MSRP Volt down to $18k? Was it second hand? (if it was then you don't get any federal/state credits, those are claimed by the original owner)

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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I drive a sports car on public roads. Straight, level, boring public roads with low speed limits. Straight line is basically the only thing that matters 90% of the time. For the other 10% of the time, the difference between a Tesla and the ICE equivalent still doesn't matter or possibly even favors the instant response of the electric drivetrain.

It sounds like you're just not driving on the right public roads. In the US, to name just a couple, there are: - Hells Canyon, Idaho - Saddle Road, Hawaii - Mulholland Highway, California - Route 9W to Storm King Highway, New York - Route 348, Helen, Georgia - M119, Harbor Springs, Michigan - Highway 1, Big Sur, California In the UK: - Horncastle to Louth - Cat and Fiddle - Evo Triangle - Forres to Alford - Black Mou…

oh man, 9w is beautiful. used to go to school up there.
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