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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by CydeWeys »

4ad wrote: post #89

I reserved unix.dev for the regular domain reservation price, not the crazy "premium domain" price because unix.dev was not part of the premium domain list. However, Google determined that no, unix.dev should be a premium domain, and "stole" the reservation from me (after I have already paid for it). They later added it to the premium domain list, and they asked me for $11k to keep the reservation. TBH, I expected to…

Hey, I just want to correct some misunderstandings here.

"Reservations" mean nothing. Google Domains is merely one of many registrars that have customers all vying for domains in the same namespace. A "reservation" just means that the registrar will make their best effort to attempt to get that domain for you at the specified price; it doesn't mean that some other registrar won't get it first, or that some other customer isn't willing to spend more and will get it on an earlier day of EAP.

Until the domain is actually created with you as the registrant, it isn't yours in any sense of the word. There are even registrars out there that will, upon acquiring a domain, auction it off amongst all of their customers who pre-registered it.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by benologist »

CydeWeys wrote: post #254
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

You talk about the protections ICANN gives your customers in case Google goes bankrupt, but what are the protections or recourse your registry or Google Domains created for your customers to ensure recoverable domains and unimpeded uptime if their Google account is banned?

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by tialaramex »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #189
whatshisface wrote: post #181

A while ago, some posts on HN went around saying that you shouldn't use third-world TLDs for your startup because some of them are unreliable stewards who would put your domain at risk. Does registering a .dev domain make you dependent on Google in the same way that registering a .ly makes you dependent on Libya?

It’s a good question. Does anyone know who legally owns the domain and what responsibility google has to ensure you can use the TLD in perpetuity?

Names in the DNS aren't personal property (and they certainly aren't real property). So "owns" is probably the wrong word.

But ICANN, which is responsible for the entire hierarchy, expected that eventually at least some of the new gTLD registry operators would fail, and so there is an escrow agreement for each one. If the gTLD is popular enough that somebody else will operate it, the last daily backup from escrow is given to the new operator and things continue from there. I guess your new registry operator may set fees or other conditions your current registrar doesn't like, but if you like the new you can move to a registrar that's OK with them. The list of names in the registry doesn't vanish unless both your registry AND the third party escrow company screw up.

If the gTLD is grossly unpopular, it may not be possible to find a new operator for that gTLD registry. I don't know what happens in that case, although whatever it is by definition won't happen to many names.

I also don't know what happens for the very stupid gTLDs that are essentially for private use by a single organisation, like .kerrylogistics. And I don't really care, so long as the fees roll in to pay for everything. Actually I'd have billed them for their original request, .kerrylogisitics [sic] as well, but I guess someone felt that was too mean.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by ldiracdelta »

CydeWeys wrote: post #254
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

If I register a domain, can google boot me off it at a later year if they don't like my politics? Or do I own the domain with the continuing option to re-register it or transfer to another domain registrar? Does google ultimately own the domains and simply lease them to me with no guaranteed option to continue?

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by tinco »

skybrian wrote: post #247
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

You made a fully general argument against anything that Google touches. This isn't useful, because everyone knows that argument already. I'd rather know what Google's track record is specifically having to do with DNS (or fundamental Internet infrastructure).

I think their 8.8.8.8 DNS server has a pretty impressive track record for I think over 10 years. I know many people who changed their dns to 8.8.8.8 when they thought their DNS was shitty.

Back in highschool (15yrs ago) pinging a DNS server was something I sometimes did when fixing people's internet, always used 212.142.28.66. No idea why it's still in my head so much later, 8.8.8.8 sure is a lot easier to remember.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by CydeWeys »

longcommonname wrote: post #264
CydeWeys wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

What prevents Google from charging an absurd rate like some of the other TLD or other practices that effectively change the service?

The trend across the gTLD industry has been one of decreasing prices, not increasing prices. I'm not sure what you're referring to?

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by OkGoDoIt »

ldiracdelta wrote: post #285
CydeWeys wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

If I register a domain, can google boot me off it at a later year if they don't like my politics? Or do I own the domain with the continuing option to re-register it or transfer to another domain registrar? Does google ultimately own the domains and simply lease them to me with no guaranteed option to continue?

Along those lines, if Google decides I’m a bot or nefarious developer as seems to mistakenly happen on occasion judging from recent hacker news posts, will I then lose my domain name? Or at least access to it? At this point tying any major asset solely to a Google account feels risky.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by cabraca »

CydeWeys wrote: post #287
longcommonname wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What prevents Google from charging an absurd rate like some of the other TLD or other practices that effectively change the service?

The trend across the gTLD industry has been one of decreasing prices, not increasing prices. I'm not sure what you're referring to?

i guess he is talking about the premium domains:

> During both the Early Access Program and General Availability, there is a $12/year cost for .dev domains. Annual fees may vary for Premium domains.

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