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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by dclusin »

throwawaymath wrote: post #184
dbot wrote: post #180

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Safari's autosuggest of the numeric code from 2FA text messages is outstanding. I don't hear anyone talk about this feature, but I could never live without it. I use 2FA for every website possible and this makes it easy.

Yeah that feature (along with iOS 12 native OS-level password manager integrations) was a major leap forward. I no longer dread enabling 2FA on websites when push/HOTP tokens aren’t supported - at least from a usability perspective. The security of SMS-based 2FA is still poor, though generally better than nothing.

Almost nobody implements the API for password managers. It's either apples password store or bust. I use 1password and frequently have to switch to the app to grab a password. Although, with face ID enabled this is relatively painless.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

eksemplar wrote: post #270
bjz_ wrote: post #9

Been really enjoying Firefox, especially after Quantum. More devs should support and use it, lest we be beholden to Chrome for the rest of time.

I use Firefox for development, but I use safari (privately) and edge (professionally) for browsing, and see no real advantages to using either Firefox or Chrome for that. I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while.

Do you use Safari for private browsing because each private window is sandboxed between each other unlike Chrome?

I find it intriguing that each incognito window in Chrome is not sandboxed between each other. Am I missing anything here?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by PurpleRamen »

rocky1138 wrote: post #4

I didn't see any indication as to their methodology for how they're calculating these stats. It's probably been said a zillion times before, but if it's JavaScript-based you can safely assume that they are incorrect as it's likely there is a large intersection between people browsing with an ad-blocker, private browsing, or with content blocker and those people using Firefox.

Chrome has adblocker too and I's say the number of people using them there is similar or even bigger. On the other side is the number of peiple actually using privacy-related addon very small. Even on Firefox it seems to be something around 5%.

Though, Firefox now has some blocking-mechanisms on it's own. Not sure if they are activated by default, but it would be interessting to see how they influence such usage-collecting scripts.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by mort96 »

agumonkey wrote: post #259
43920 wrote: post #255

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I know it's probably really early to ask this, but do you have a rough estimate of when the power usage improvements will happen? Battery life is the main thing stopping me from using Firefox more, so I'm really looking forward to this being fixed.

I had a ~power related issue using Quantum. It "killed" my cpu (temp rising by 10s of degrees so fast I didn't have time to throttle before kernel thermal shutdown). I guess it's so parallel and so gpu intensive that my whole system goes into fever. ps: a x201 core i5 520m

What? Your system doesn't handle running at max CPU and GPU usahe even for what I presume is seconds before thermal shutdown? That seems like an extremely serious issue with your system.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by jabl »

fabrice_d wrote: post #232
flukus wrote: post #213

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> demonstrate improvements in the important metrics that users care about And yet market share is plummeting, doesn't that indicated that your metrics for what users care about are completely wrong? It's hardly me alone having this experience, most firefox users had there extensions break for no visible benefit. Anyone with the non-default ubuntu theme has the same issue with text boxes, which indicates a complete la…

Unfortunately market share is more about being about to efficiently distribute your product than just the quality of said product. Mozilla is suffering from not having its own platform - they could have done so by keeping FirefoxOS alive and use the growing success of KaiOS today. Looks like they are not ready to come back because... reasons.

FirefoxOS never had a snowball's chance in hell against Android and iOS. I wish it were otherwise, but it's not, and never was.

But yes, I agree that FF market share problems are not due to problems with the product itself.

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Post by The-Compiler »

pmoriarty wrote: post #244
shittyadmin wrote: post #61

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I miss the old XUL extensions, way better tab extensions and stuff like DownThemAll was amazing. Modernly Firefox can't be customized much more than chrome - extreme hacks are needed: https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-fo...

The XUL extension I miss most is Pentadactyl. Tridactyl is a pale imitation, and still immature. Qutebrowser has potential, but still lacks critical extensions like uMatrix and uBlock Origin.

Might want to subscribe to https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/28 and https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/29 if you haven't already ;-)

(To clarify: it does have an adblocker, but it's quite basic, only based on a blacklist of hosts. You can also selectively enable JavaScript for individual domains, but not yet based on both webpage and its origin like with uMatrix)

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by flukus »

fabrice_d wrote: post #232
flukus wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> demonstrate improvements in the important metrics that users care about And yet market share is plummeting, doesn't that indicated that your metrics for what users care about are completely wrong? It's hardly me alone having this experience, most firefox users had there extensions break for no visible benefit. Anyone with the non-default ubuntu theme has the same issue with text boxes, which indicates a complete la…

Unfortunately market share is more about being about to efficiently distribute your product than just the quality of said product. Mozilla is suffering from not having its own platform - they could have done so by keeping FirefoxOS alive and use the growing success of KaiOS today. Looks like they are not ready to come back because... reasons.

> Unfortunately market share is more about being about to efficiently distribute your product than just the quality of said product.

Firefox has broken out of this before by being a better product. Not being default on any platform is nothing compared to back in the day when IE had >95% market share and sites were made to work with it only.

These days even many linux distros are defaulting to chromium, that's the one place where it could be the "native" browser.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by DiabloD3 »

agumonkey wrote: post #259
43920 wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's probably really early to ask this, but do you have a rough estimate of when the power usage improvements will happen? Battery life is the main thing stopping me from using Firefox more, so I'm really looking forward to this being fixed.

I had a ~power related issue using Quantum. It "killed" my cpu (temp rising by 10s of degrees so fast I didn't have time to throttle before kernel thermal shutdown). I guess it's so parallel and so gpu intensive that my whole system goes into fever. ps: a x201 core i5 520m

Clean your heatsink out, and also consider replacing the heatsink paste: that CPU is so old, its entirely possible a cheap thermal pad is no longer usable (commonly used on laptops and stock desktop HSFs).

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by kajecounterhack »

eksemplar wrote: post #270
bjz_ wrote: post #9

Been really enjoying Firefox, especially after Quantum. More devs should support and use it, lest we be beholden to Chrome for the rest of time.

I use Firefox for development, but I use safari (privately) and edge (professionally) for browsing, and see no real advantages to using either Firefox or Chrome for that. I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while.

The advantage of Firefox / Chrome in general is that if you develop habits / shortcuts you can use them in any OS. Safari only works on macOS and edge on Windows.

Both their plugin ecosystems are significantly less robust as well e.g if you want to use any popular tools e.g shodan, google data saver, edit this cookie, etc

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