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Is there a word for this specific legal entrapment?

It's called selective enforcement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement

I am so grateful for this link! I have been searching for this term on-and-off for years!

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Regarding speed cameras. I was driving around the Netherlands and saw speed cameras for the first time (I'm from the US) in Apeldoorn. There were signs that warned drivers about them. In the US, in several rural areas have electronic signs at the edge of town, just outside of the limit change, which warn you when you are exceeding the limit through town. I would have no problem at all with permanent enforcement syste…

Speed cameras are one of those things that seems good as a concept but are always abused in practice. We seem to be unable to remove the profit motive from local governments so the only real recourse is to deny them the ability to profit from an activity that will always be abused. > It is much safer (and should be much cheaper) than randomly placed patrol cars performing radar/laser speed enforcement. The fact that…

> We seem to be unable to remove the profit motive from local governments

As in, "such changes would be hard to achieve currently in the current US", or not possible in principle? I'd disagree with the later one. Redirect those funds to the federal budget and I'd expect such abuse to plummet. Tragedy of the commons can sometimes work in our favor as well, at least if we manage to set up system accordingly.

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> there is propaganda everywhere The propagandists would love you to throw up your hands and believe this; their goal is to paralyze you, sow chaos and despair. It's like a liar saying to you, after they lie to your face for the 10th time, 'everyone lies'. It's a false attempt to justify and normalize their bad behavior. Technically yes, but it's meaningless; some people are far more trustworthy than others. The trus…

> The trustworthiness of information and politicians varies greatly. Yes it does - and we are hopeless at determining who is trustworthy and who isn’t. For example I am a well educated, well paid, and politically aware person and I trust Trump. Other equally educated, paid, aware, etc people distrust Trump. > throw up your hands I think we need techniques to move in a positive direction even in the face of propaganda…

> we are hopeless at determining who is trustworthy and who isn’t

We are not at all hopeless. We're not perfect, but we do pretty well. Just because people make mistakes sometimes doesn't at all mean that everyone is hopeless. Bad software is written, but we can produce good software. People trust the wrong person, but democracy and human rights has blossomed and spread.

Your proposals about politicians are interesting in that Trump likely wouldn't agree to facing the consequences of his actions.

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Stupid question. I actually am a big fan of no borders but what's wrong with this? Seems like America entering the new millennium. Edited also why was this downvoted?

I'd be less opposed to it if it was equally applied to everyone and not just immigrants. It becomes another tool to disenfranchise, disable and disadvantage a subset of society.

Good news. The purpose of the program is for catching any felon, not just immigrant felons. So I guess you are for it?

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> The trustworthiness of information and politicians varies greatly. Yes it does - and we are hopeless at determining who is trustworthy and who isn’t. For example I am a well educated, well paid, and politically aware person and I trust Trump. Other equally educated, paid, aware, etc people distrust Trump. > throw up your hands I think we need techniques to move in a positive direction even in the face of propaganda…

> we are hopeless at determining who is trustworthy and who isn’t We are not at all hopeless. We're not perfect, but we do pretty well. Just because people make mistakes sometimes doesn't at all mean that everyone is hopeless. Bad software is written, but we can produce good software. People trust the wrong person, but democracy and human rights has blossomed and spread. Your proposals about politicians are interesti…

> Bad software is written, but we can produce good software.

Great example! How do we make our political system more robust like software dev?

Even good software developers make plenty of mistakes and the system overall manages to keep trucking on.

It’s because we have a whole host of techniques to limit our losses - for example at work we have systems in place to automatically roll back recent changes if we detect a problem.

We could apply this technique to legislation by putting in a set of conditions under which the legislation would be automatically revoked.

> Your proposals about politicians are interesting in that Trump likely wouldn't agree to facing the consequences of his actions.

It is not just politicians - we all have an aversion to taking responsibility for our actions and beliefs.

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