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GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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>because its based on principles rather than hard rules They tried hard rules, rather than principles with the cookie laws and the companies around the world turned a good idea into a shit-show of popups while continuing to behave like nothing happened. Honestly the more I read and the more I see how different business react I start to view the GDPR as EU finally showing that will not accept businesses viewing it as…

95% of my GDPR work has done nothing for actual privacy. If this is how the EU "represents the best interest of 500 million people," then no thank you.

A lot of "GDPR work" I have witnessed recently has been totally useless and frankly I'm still not sure why I understand the tortuous paths some have chosen to follow.

I think a lot of that is down to decisions taken by US-based management that is simply clueless about how law works outside the US. And probably also only got their information from US-based lawyers that were either as clueless as themselves, or had incentives to make everything look very complicated.

On the other hand, most of the companies around me that have no links with the US were not particularily worried, and either consider that they are already compliant, conducted minimal work to be acting in good faith, or at worst are waiting for the regulatory body (CNIL here) to tell them what they are doing wrong, if that is the case.

However, I don't know any company that does shady things with their users' data, and things might be very different for those.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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To offer a non-dev perspective on Hn, it feels like tech companies are really trying to annoy us users with GDPR updates in an effort to nurture opposition to similar proposed regulations in the future. I hope it doesn't work. I love GDPR, getting rid of the WHOIS database stuff alone is enough to make me a huge fan. The option to delete my data is also amazing.

>To offer a non-dev perspective on Hn, it feels like tech companies are really trying to annoy us users with GDPR updates in an effort to nurture opposition to similar proposed regulations in the future. I hope it doesn't work. You think businesses are that forward thinking? You think there is some grand conspiracy to annoy users so that they hate regulation?

You think businesses are that forward thinking?

Definitely. Adhering to new regulations costs man hours and $, companies understandably would rather not be forced to comply. No grand conspiracy just long term bus dev.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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On the contrary, if you are running a business where 99% of your customers are outside of the EU, its totally rational versus opening yourself up to massive liability.

You need to purge that 1% customer data though. If you're accepting EU citizens data through any channel - another business, them using a VPN, via smoke signals, you need to comply.

Yeah, no, please stop this FUD.

You need to comply with the laws of the jurisdiction you operate in. If you don't operate in the EU (and having a presence on a global communication network does not qualify), EU laws are not applicable.

The onus is on concerned EU citizens to stick to .eu domains with a feel-good GDPR-VERIFIED banner if they are so inclined, not on the rest of the world to bend over.

As a non-EU business, I will pay my GDPR "fines" right after I'm done paying my Iran and North Korea issued fines. Cheers!

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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>To offer a non-dev perspective on Hn, it feels like tech companies are really trying to annoy us users with GDPR updates in an effort to nurture opposition to similar proposed regulations in the future. I hope it doesn't work. You think businesses are that forward thinking? You think there is some grand conspiracy to annoy users so that they hate regulation?

>You think there is some grand conspiracy to annoy users so that they hate regulation? Yeah? U.S. companies do this all the time. They did it with the cookie warnings and tried to act like they didn't know they were creating an absolutely terrible experience. Companies acting in bad faith against regulations is basically the default.

See also giant "install our app" banners on mobile sites, like Reddit

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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The fact that the regulation is so vague around it in the first place is the whole problem. There are dozens of conflicting statements (from law firms, no less) about what exactly exposes you to GDPR.

... which in part isn't since that law is that complicated, but buy law firms and consultancies looking for customers.

Companies aren't that dumb, and law firms can't lie either so those conflicting articles show just how much interpretation is involved.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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I simply don't understand how or why a law that has scope in the EU is causing trouble for companies which conduct no business in the EU beyond responding to HTTP requests on a global decentralized telecommunications network. Why would an American internet business which conducts no operations in Europe and has no servers in Europe be subject to regulation that affects the EU? What is going to happen? Is the EU going…

Not directly related, but see FATCA. Because of a US law, individuals in many countries who don't deal with US securities/markets, have to fill a form saying they don't have any direct investments in US, or that they are not a citizen/resident of US.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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post #113

I simply don't understand how or why a law that has scope in the EU is causing trouble for companies which conduct no business in the EU beyond responding to HTTP requests on a global decentralized telecommunications network. Why would an American internet business which conducts no operations in Europe and has no servers in Europe be subject to regulation that affects the EU? What is going to happen? Is the EU going…

It's because: A) The law seems to extend beyond the borders of the EU. B) It's extremely long and vague, doesn't really offer a lot of actionable advice, and nobody outside of privacy lawyers seems to really understand it fully. C) The penalties are harsh. Further muddying the waters, the EU and US already have some existing bilateral agreements with respect to data privacy [1], but does the GDPR supersede or unilate…

GDPR is far stronger that Privacy Shield... so you can't use that

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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> Is the EU going to target American banks of American businesses and try to extract fines? You mean like America? That time when the USA decided to enforce their embargo against Cuba by intercepting a payment from one of the Nordics for a bunch of Cuban cigars? No, that's unlikely. > Is the EU going to extradite owners of these businesses? Extremely unlikely, besides that would require the cooperation of the other c…

There are plenty more examples of the US twisting Europe's arm. Currently it's looking like that is the plan for Iran.

I hope not. They really need to tell the US to go to hell on that front. Pissing away a deal that is seemingly working because Trump got made fun of by Obama.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#289

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>To offer a non-dev perspective on Hn, it feels like tech companies are really trying to annoy us users with GDPR updates in an effort to nurture opposition to similar proposed regulations in the future. I hope it doesn't work. You think businesses are that forward thinking? You think there is some grand conspiracy to annoy users so that they hate regulation?

>You think there is some grand conspiracy to annoy users so that they hate regulation? Yeah? U.S. companies do this all the time. They did it with the cookie warnings and tried to act like they didn't know they were creating an absolutely terrible experience. Companies acting in bad faith against regulations is basically the default.

In this case, the companies are following the prescribed rules of GDPR which requires them to not only publicize their privacy policy, but notify their users if it ever changes. This is a side-effect of a well intentioned law.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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> You mean like America? Ahh yes, one of my favorite logical fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Tu quoque is not a logical fallacy. There's no logical step that's violated. It's an informal fallacy.

Technically, yes. It's an informal logical fallacy. The point is that it's a pretty ineffective means of advancing the discussion.
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