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Go's New Brand

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Re: Go's New Brand

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Apologies, but I disagree with basically everything you're saying here. Branding isn't hard; forcing a constructed brand is hard. That's the real source of friction here. A brand might be way more than a logo, but THIS brand is not. That logo is literally the only thing this design agency contributed at all. Even the colors were already in use around the project. If the difference between "a brand" and "a logo" is "t…

> Branding isn't hard; forcing a constructed brand is hard. That's the real source of friction here. Let's agree to disagree. I've been involved in dozens of branding processes. None of them were easy, from the strategy to the creative to the execution. If the agency did their job, the brand guide _should_ feel obvious. That's how you know it's on brand. I find this sort of comment very condescending to designers. I'…

Marketspeak is marketspeak because it lacks honesty and authenticity.

It's like "artist's statements" that are written so impenetrably that it's impossible for anyone to understand what the artist actually meant to do with the artwork. And that's deliberate, because of where the art world has got now.

If the designers of this shitshow were honest in their statement then it'd be "we made it look like this because it was the easiest and simplest method of getting it past the mass of middle-managers who got to veto the creative without contributing any positive ideas themselves. The brief was to be as inoffensive and non-controversial as possible".

As another commenter said, Go is brutalist. The gopher never quite suited it. But at least it was fun and original and different. But this... this is shite.

Re: Go's New Brand

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Caveat: I'm a software developer who's worked in agencies for half of my 20 year career. A few thoughts: 1. Branding is hard: everybody things they can do it. Creative direction and art direction are really, really hard. If you haven't seen the "Make my logo bigger cream" video, go watch it, and then have some grace with the Go team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgcX0y1Nzhs 2. A brand is WAY more than a logo. I ge…

Apologies, but I disagree with basically everything you're saying here. Branding isn't hard; forcing a constructed brand is hard. That's the real source of friction here. A brand might be way more than a logo, but THIS brand is not. That logo is literally the only thing this design agency contributed at all. Even the colors were already in use around the project. If the difference between "a brand" and "a logo" is "t…

> I read the "brand guide." It's exactly what I expect from a professional design firm: meaningless noise, carefully typeset.

It's not helping the discussion to disregard an entire profession. Re-read what you wrote; it is _extremely_ heavily biased, angry venting at some corporate construct you've invented.

> at least it had some character, which likely comes from the talent of a real artist.

This is just mean.

Re: Go's New Brand

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The Go gopher is a redraw of Glenda, the Plan 9 bunny. Many of Plan 9's principals worked on Go, which is itself an update of Alef, Plan 9's planned systems language, before it was canned and replaced with C. I'm sure he'll still be around as a mascot. He's still on the site's main page. I really don't see the problem with him -- most commercial internet servers run a kernel with a cute penguin mascot, and many of th…

Was it really a redraw of the Plan 9 bunny? According to the Go website it says the gopher was created for a radio station fund raiser. About 15 years ago—long before the Go project—the gopher first appeared as a promotion for the WFMU radio station in New Jersey. Renee French was commissioned to design a T-shirt for an annual fundraiser and out came the gopher.

Guess who also designed Glenda.

Re: Go's New Brand

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies, but I disagree with basically everything you're saying here. Branding isn't hard; forcing a constructed brand is hard. That's the real source of friction here. A brand might be way more than a logo, but THIS brand is not. That logo is literally the only thing this design agency contributed at all. Even the colors were already in use around the project. If the difference between "a brand" and "a logo" is "t…

> I read the "brand guide." It's exactly what I expect from a professional design firm: meaningless noise, carefully typeset. It's not helping the discussion to disregard an entire profession. Re-read what you wrote; it is _extremely_ heavily biased, angry venting at some corporate construct you've invented. > at least it had some character, which likely comes from the talent of a real artist. This is just mean.

"You don't like it because you just don't know how goshdarn hard it all is" isn't a particularly useful starting point. Some of us do know how hard it can be, and some of us know when it's hard because the people doing the work don't have anything positive to contribute.

I am familiar with what I wrote: I wrote it. I'm not biased against anything; my opinions come from direct experience with dozens of design firms over many years. In-house design teams are, for example, a totally different and more positive approach. Every time you farm the job out you get junk, and this example is no exception. I'm baffled as to why this got farmed out at all -- is there no design team within Google qualified to typeset a two-letter logo based on an existing logo?

As for being "just mean," to whom am I being mean? The faceless entities who picked six colors and three corporate-approved fonts and then wrote a twenty-page document inventing reasons they did the obvious? Guilty as charged, I guess.

Re: Go's New Brand

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I'm so glad I don't have to sit through design presentations anymore. Just reading the first few words of the "Brand Book" made me die inside.

Re: Go's New Brand

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post #227

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The logo is awful. - it ham-fistedly plays on the name Go (look, the logo is "going"...) - it is not opinionated (it conforms seamlessly to contemporary corporate logo design, it looks like stock art) - it does not repay sustained attention Go is a brutalist language. Clean lines, no frills, lots of power, close enough to the metal. I want monotype, exposed beams and concrete, RTFM, no ugly movement lines. I would ac…

The logo also appears to have lifted several elements from the podcast Jordan, Jesse, Go [1]. The font is almost identical. It has the white text on almost the exact same shade of blue. It has the three lines trailing part of the logo. EDIT: Here [2] are the two logos side by side. The number of similarities would make this one hell of a coincidence. [1] - http://www.maximumfun.org/shows/jordan-jesse-go [2] - https:/…

Um, no. The updated Go logo is a refresh of the original Go logo when the language was first introduced.

https://blog.golang.org/gopher/logo.png

Re: Go's New Brand

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it really a redraw of the Plan 9 bunny? According to the Go website it says the gopher was created for a radio station fund raiser. About 15 years ago—long before the Go project—the gopher first appeared as a promotion for the WFMU radio station in New Jersey. Renee French was commissioned to design a T-shirt for an annual fundraiser and out came the gopher.

Guess who also designed Glenda.

French, of course. The Gopher, however, is not a "redraw" of the rabbit.

Re: Go's New Brand

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post #227

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The logo is awful. - it ham-fistedly plays on the name Go (look, the logo is "going"...) - it is not opinionated (it conforms seamlessly to contemporary corporate logo design, it looks like stock art) - it does not repay sustained attention Go is a brutalist language. Clean lines, no frills, lots of power, close enough to the metal. I want monotype, exposed beams and concrete, RTFM, no ugly movement lines. I would ac…

The logo also appears to have lifted several elements from the podcast Jordan, Jesse, Go [1]. The font is almost identical. It has the white text on almost the exact same shade of blue. It has the three lines trailing part of the logo. EDIT: Here [2] are the two logos side by side. The number of similarities would make this one hell of a coincidence. [1] - http://www.maximumfun.org/shows/jordan-jesse-go [2] - https:/…

Jordan, Jesse, Go! also immediately came to my mind when I saw these new logos. Based on the visual similarities, it seems the designer was probably inspired by the JJGO logo. This also reminded me that there was already an existing language named "Go!" when golang was released. Maybe they should add the exclamation point now to go for the full JJGO look.

Re: Go's New Brand

#289

Perhaps this new brand was just a psychological experiment to see how easy it is to bait Hacker News into a 200+ comment thread on bikeshedding?

I see you're being downvoted but this whole topic indeed is just that, bikeshedding.
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