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Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by p1necone » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 12:57 AM UTC

Sir_Substance wrote: post #70

freehunter wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the statement wasn't "many people block tracking", it's "the majority of people using ad blockers are doing it for tracking and not for ads". That's a far different statement that is far harder to back up.

So, of that list I just posted: ad blockers: ublock origin ad and tracking blockers: umatrix privacy badger tracking blockers: cookie autodelete decentraleyes other: httpseverywhere I'm mostly blocking trackers.

Good job repeatedly misunderstanding what the other commenter was saying.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by captain_murdock » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 12:59 AM UTC

> we see that a majority of people who install an ad blocker don't actually do it to block ads (that's just an added bonus). They are actually doing it to block tracking.

This line severely damages the credibility of the article. I found the article interesting up until I read it. I stopped reading once I read it because I couldn't trust anything else the author says.

I highly doubt this statement is true. It may be true in very privacy-focused circles and amongst some circles of IT professionals, but I highly doubt it is true for the population.

If you make a statement this left-field, you've got to back that up with credible research and I highly doubt that statement was based on any credible research.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by EGreg » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 1:19 AM UTC

URSpider94 wrote: post #27

EGreg wrote: post #7

What if I told you... (Morpheus photo) 1. Social websites don’t have to be giant, centralized communities too big to police themselves. 2. People need more tools to help them achieve things in the real world, rather than spending hours a day chatting about the real world online. 3. There are ways to make money online without ads begging you to click on them, and they involve real-world goods and services that your we…

All the things you mention are certainly possible, but if that’s truly what consumers wanted (judged by where they spend their time and money), then the market would reward companies that provided those services. Put another way, you can argue as much as you want that people want to eat salad and steamed vegetables for every meal, because it will make them thinner and healthier. And yet, McDonalds is still doing well…

I think it is because the solutions don’t exist yet.

Like before the Telephone consumers “preferred” to visit each other. The Gentleman Caller.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by EGreg » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 1:22 AM UTC

anonymousab wrote: post #33

EGreg wrote: post #7

What if I told you... (Morpheus photo) 1. Social websites don’t have to be giant, centralized communities too big to police themselves. 2. People need more tools to help them achieve things in the real world, rather than spending hours a day chatting about the real world online. 3. There are ways to make money online without ads begging you to click on them, and they involve real-world goods and services that your we…

I think the problem with 1 is that the usefulness of Facebook, for a lot of people, comes from having darn near anyone they ever knew on the platform. There's the benefit of being able to trivially connect with friends, family and acquaintances by a few degrees. But since that applies to those users too, and the overlap is partial, the user graph grows unbounded. If you limit it in some way, then you necessarily will…

I would argue that being able to find anyone is a bug, not a feature.

Bill Gates doesn’t let people find him on FB by his name. Why should anyone else?

The real names policy is a consequence of this thinking. But why should people put that info out there for everyone and the NSA to find out?

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by wadkar » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 1:22 AM UTC

merinowool wrote: post #254

ryandrake wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe these things shouldn’t be collected as a matter of course. Should web servers log client IP addresses by default? Why? Does my mail server need to log email addresses of incoming mail by default? “Logging all the things” as default behavior really needs to be a thing of the past. If anyone wants to get their feet wet in open source, there are thousands of high profile projects out there that could use a patch t…

What if you have a forum and users of that forum commit a crime, police asks you to give up their data and you say you don't have any data?

> you say you don’t have any data?

And what’s wrong in telling the truth to the police? Sounds great to me. Also, see how signal responds to such requests.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by reid » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 1:26 AM UTC

molf wrote: post #74

reid wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Which part of GDPR disallows the “decline and you cannot use the service” case?

Quoting GDPR: "Consent should be given by a clear affirmative act establishing a freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous indication of the data subject’s agreement [...]" [1] "Consent is presumed not to be freely given [...] if the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is dependent on the consent despite such consent not being necessary for such performance." [2] [1] https://gdpr-i…

Thanks for replying! GDPR is complex. Indeed, declining these specific consents will still permit one to access a service.

My understanding is that there can be other consents, such as consent to changes of Terms of Use, which are required to access a service.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by going_to_800 » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 1:41 AM UTC

This article is not totally accurate.

For ex. you can track anon visitors fine if you generate an ID identifiable ONLY on your DB. So if you store only an ID in the DB(awaiting to be matched when a conversion is made with consent given) is totally fine because even if someone hacks your DB can't be able to match that ID to any person, even if they have other data from Facebook, Google etc.

In case of an IP it's a different thing. If you get an IP, you can actually identify a person if you have a DB with the IP+other personal information about it.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by noway421 » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 1:45 AM UTC

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #14

GDPR articles seem to be getting some traction on HN as everyone is trying to figure out: "Do I need to do something for this? Is so, what?" For a recent project I read (and translated to plain english) [1] every single article in the GDPR legislation and for our purposes it can be summed up as: "Treat user data like names and emails as if they were credit card numbers" AKA: be paranoid about keeping them, encrypt th…

That's a fair analogy! I do think having a service like stripe for pii would make things easier. Why would we need first name and email address? As programmer I only need user ID!

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 2:20 AM UTC

zerotolerance wrote: post #137

adamnemecek wrote: post #2

Can’t say i feel bad for them.

So, we should all be monitoring all legal changes for every Internet connected country? Is PRC's great firewall a good thing? Because that is where things like GDPR will push the rest of us. The easiest way to comply with this murky EU regulation is to block the EU... especially since we cannot deny service on a case-by-case basis.

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Post by andromeduck » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 2:23 AM UTC

lossolo wrote: post #213

filoleg wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His argument wasn't that all state-funded news media is a propaganda machine. His argument was that it easily can become one, and you won't have a better option, since all the other news media would be choked out of existence.

> since all the other news media would be choked out of existence. There are other private TV outlets in those countries in EU and this legislation will not change it. Lets stop being paranoid and portraying legislation that should protect our privacy as something that will destroy democracy.

That's just going to fuel nationalism.