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Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

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Post by rdtsc »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #259
rdtsc wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but what I have heard it is basically Tinder but for gay men. Would Tinder be blackmail data? It's hook ups and relationships, dating, etc, no? Absolutely when cross-referenced with information from OPM database. Employee with TS/SCI clearance working on a hasn't reported reported his gay affairs (that his wife might not know about even). The Chinese find out, approach him and make him an offer "Look buddy, how 'bo…

And that's why lack of blackmailability is one of the biggies on clearance applications. Or, "Lets not become friends. You can tell my wife. She thought it'd be fun to do that!" aaaaand so much for that blackmail. And just don't forget to tell the security officer that someone tried funny shit.

Normally yeah, nothing wrong with the lifestyle as long as it is declared and is known and no fear of it being exposed. Except that the Chinese got their hands on the OPM database so they tell what is declared there and what isn't. If they didn't disclose these things there, they'd still hopefully run to the security officer and report but they might be think again since they'd be in hot water as well for lying before.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

odiroot wrote: post #188
arcaster wrote: post #13

This is deeply troubling. Anyone who uses Tinder or any other dating site should try requesting their data and realize that these services could likely label you a sexual deviant, racist or otherwise based on your swipes alone.

OkCupid may be even more dangerous in that regard. As far as I know they allow you to set ethnicity preferences.

Most dating services do. Why shouldn't they?

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Post by cookiecaper »

macintux wrote: post #234
johnchristopher wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as some people pay for fastmail I am pretty sure there'd be some people paying an entrance fee to a social network. Wasn't the social network of last week, vero, supposed to be like that ?

Network effects are brutally hard to overcome. https://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/app-net-shut-down...

It's not network effects. It's hostile copyright and network access law. There's no reason that you shouldn't be able to interact with the content streams from both Twitter and App.Net at the same time, for example, except that our legal system allows the dominant company to sue the scrappy upstart into oblivion if they begin to do so. This is not theoretical; small companies are destroyed frequently by BigCo breaking out the lawyers for supposed violations of the CFAA and the Copyright Act.

This sorry legal situation has completely obliterated meaningful competition in the online space, and we are letting them get away with it when we just hand-wave that it's because of "network effects". There's no reason that YoungSiteA shouldn't be able to act as a user agent on my behalf to access and reskin OldSiteB. If it could, the negative impact of switching providers would be small.

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Post by product50 »

busterarm wrote: post #242
product50 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not really true. These companies entire model is handling data and they charge their partners for it. It is not a free product. As such, going off and selling the data is not really going to happen.

Huh? That has nothing to do with what I said. I said if any of these companies get acquired, the acquiring party can do whatever the hell they want with that data, previous privacy policy be-damned. This has already happened. A lot.

It really depends on how you as an entity who is supplying data to analytics firm have negotiated your contract with the analytics firm. Just saying an acquisition will completely negate all contracts before is incorrect.

Also, these agreements are between 2 companies (the company providing the data and the analytics firm which will show analytics on that data). There is no privacy policy per se in this case. It is all about contract negotiation on the rights you give to the analytics firm on how to share the data and what happens if they get acquired.

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Post by dwaltrip »

monochromatic wrote: post #247
mbesto wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another data point on why you should not take money or sell your business to Chinese investors. Their price points for pricing companies is strange (e.g. a lot higher than western pricing) and it would make sense that they're doing it for other, perhaps more nefarious, reasons.

If I’m selling my company and a Chinese buyer offers me more, I’m not going to turn him down just because he’s Chinese.

The question doesn't mean much without knowing more details.

In general, most people would say that the short-term financial outcome is not the only important factor.

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Post by DataWorker »

exelius wrote: post #140
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #21

Even within its confines, Grindr's data are rich for blackmail. (Consider: images and messages sent and received within 100 feet of Capitol Hill.) It was recently acquired by an offshore billionaire [1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-12/china-tec...

Reminds me of the relationship between the Mafia and the homosexual community of the early-mid 20th century. The Mafia didn’t particularly like gays, but they ran all of the gay bars because it gave them the opportunity to blackmail their patrons.

Wasn’t that the case with Jack Ruby?

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Post by rpmcmurphy »

josecastillo wrote: post #235

It might be worth making another post to highlight an additional concern: this repository itself appears to leak profile images of many Grindr users. The raw-data folder includes nearly 14,000 files, including many ads and scripts, but also thumbnails of many user profiles. This file[1] for example, once you strip out the HTTP headers, is a JPEG that shows the legs and gym socks of one user. This one [2] shows a user…

Somebody needs to write a Peter Thiel / Not Peter Thiel script, and cross reference the photos with his Friendster profile pic where he was shirtless on a boat advertising for twinks (pro tip for people who think he was outed by Gawker, he was one of the most obvious closet cases in San Francisco).

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Post by nzpopa »

ben_jones wrote: post #210
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #21

Even within its confines, Grindr's data are rich for blackmail. (Consider: images and messages sent and received within 100 feet of Capitol Hill.) It was recently acquired by an offshore billionaire [1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-12/china-tec...

Reminds me of the old KGB tactic where they would have agents seduce politicians and business men into compromising (recorded) sexual situations then use it for blackmail. I find it inevitable that many acting politicians on both sides of the aisle are being manipulated in this way.

In this article, an investigative Romanian journalist covers the story of the "Shanghai" network in Bucharest. This network has been supplying dozens of high ranking Romanian officials with underage girls for 13 years, who in turn were instructed by the Chinese to film the sex scenes with hidden cameras, obviously for blackmail. The leader of the Shanghai network now operates the only working copper mine in Romania, extracting 100% of the copper and exporting it to China, while his citizenship was canceled 4 years ago at the request of Romania's Intelligence Service because of actions which undermine the state's democratic institutions: http://www.tolo.ro/2018/03/24/de-13-ani-filmari-cu-zeci-de-i...

Seems like blackmail works just fine!

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Post by rurounijones »

mrkurt wrote: post #269
Spooky23 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon is selling an abstraction, and goes to great expense to not have access to customer data. If you are a HIPPA covered entity, they sign a BAA that puts them on the hook. It's like the difference between putting your papers in a storage locker versus your friends garage. The storage company ultimately has access to the locker, but is less likely to snoop (either consciously or accidentally) than any of the folks…

But you've just described a contractual agreement. You're still sending data to a third party. I'm not sure we're disagreeing here.

Would this be a better to distinguish?

AWS does not care about the data, does not want to see the data and goes out of its way to make it damn hard for it to see the data. The data is a black box to them and this is by design. You are not sending them the raw data in a format that they require for analyses. You are just sending them bits and bytes that they store for you.

The analyses third-parties in this case are the exact opposite. They explicitly require access to their data in a certain format for analysis. In fact, their business fails if they don't have access to this data.

They are both technically third parties but the way they handle the data is completely different. One has every incentive to avoid reading the data, the other has every incentive to hoover everything it can.

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