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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by kcanini »

golergka wrote: post #206
tajen wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the key aspects of prostitution is it provides an alternative outcome to marriage. Why else would a man step into marriage where 100% rules have been thoughtfully designed against him (except love, for as long as it lasts), if he could last a few years longer by using prostitution... Heck, even sex dolls are being forbidden, even though they cause absolutely no harm to humans (a sex doll house is being closed…

You know that you can have consensual sexual relationships outside of marriage, right? They don't even have to be exclusive. Seriously, dude, if you're a "hungry man", open Tinder or just go to a local hook up bar. Hooking up for a one night stand is trivial.

> Hooking up for a one night stand is trivial.

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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by DanBC »

safety1st wrote: post #210
SeeDave wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…

The "scorched earth" approach only gets support when the nature and scope of the issues are distorted. What are the real issues in play? One is prostitution, a form of sex work which is illegal in most of the United States. The American public have varying feelings about its legal status, how enforcement should be carried out, etc. Public opinion doesn't support measures which endanger sex workers (which FOSTA does),…

> which is moving people across borders

That's only one definition. Other countries have broader definitions.

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Post by kcanini »

Buge wrote: post #220
disiplus wrote: post #199

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it's still limiting if you define it to broadly. if i defined a law that said every owner of a home will be punished if somebody in that home smoked weed or did drugs. and airbnb is gone, and so on.

Neither I nor rpearl claimed it wasn't limiting. The intent was to protect people who are being harmed against their will (held in sex slavery against their will). Of course the actual effect of the law is different than the intent. The actual effect is limiting.

Do you think the actual intent is closer the stated intent, or to the actual results?

We're talking about seasoned politicians, not naive dreamers.

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Post by jonnycomputer »

omarforgotpwd wrote: post #127

Rather than stopping undesirable activity, this will merely push it to platforms and protocol that are out of the US government's control.

It might, or it might not. And even if it did, then so what? I think the attitude you expressed is equivalent to: well since there is no way to actually stop the slave trade from using some platform, US companies might as well profit from it.

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Post by rayiner »

DannyBee wrote: post #44

This is not surprising, but sad. Years ago, i was dragged (i was the only engineer in the local office) into a whitehouse (or maybe it was state department, i can't remember) sponsored working group on online sex trafficking. The non-profits dedicated to fighting this, while seemingly well-intentioned, were completely and totally unwilling to see any other perspective or try to find shared ground. It was scorched ear…

This is true, unfortunately, of many public interest groups. They’re staffed by true believers, often people who have been strongly affacted by whatever cause they’re fighting for. Dealing with sex abuse victims all day destroys your objectivity.

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Post by golergka »

tajen wrote: post #273
golergka wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that you can have consensual sexual relationships outside of marriage, right? They don't even have to be exclusive. Seriously, dude, if you're a "hungry man", open Tinder or just go to a local hook up bar. Hooking up for a one night stand is trivial.

Yes I know, but there’s a massive societal expectation that it’s ok for a woman to beat her boyfriend if he cheated on her, even if it’s not married . And “cheating” is up to the solipsism of the woman to decide, anything between kissing and looking at a girl on the street and thinking about a woman is considered cheating, at least because society believes the woman at face value. So no, casual relationships are, dep…

It all depends on how do you agree upon this. I've been married, and I've been in open and polyamorous relationships, and difference is enormous.

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Post by Retric »

alexbeloi wrote: post #257
safety1st wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "scorched earth" approach only gets support when the nature and scope of the issues are distorted. What are the real issues in play? One is prostitution, a form of sex work which is illegal in most of the United States. The American public have varying feelings about its legal status, how enforcement should be carried out, etc. Public opinion doesn't support measures which endanger sex workers (which FOSTA does),…

Estimated 57,700 slaves in the United States according to Global Slavery Index [0]. Here is a related WP article[1]. [0] https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/index/ [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17...

That number is pretending to be accurate the error bars are rediculus to have 3 digits.

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Post by austinheap »

jrs235 wrote: post #266
_pmf_ wrote: post #241

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Some workers of the business in the Netherlands argue that the end of prohibition worsened conditions.

I assume things got worse because cowardly assholes are now allowed to treat the prostitutes disrespectfully. Before, the assholes that were afraid of the law wouldn't risk going to a prostitute. Now that the law won't hurt them, they go and are demanding disrespectful assholes. Just a guess. Edit: law abiding != kind, respectful, or moral

Implying that there is some uptick in people who are "allowed to treat the prostitutes disrespectfully" in well-regulated societies is intellectually disingenuous. To quote @Illniyar: "Legalization is far from perfect but abuse in Nevada brothels is much lower than as street walkers."

Assumptions are...well, you know the saying.

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Post by barry-cotter »

zeth___ wrote: post #237
golergka wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that you can have consensual sexual relationships outside of marriage, right? They don't even have to be exclusive. Seriously, dude, if you're a "hungry man", open Tinder or just go to a local hook up bar. Hooking up for a one night stand is trivial.

I look repulsive and my personality isn't much better. Hookups are quite out of the question. But it must be nice to be attractive and have enough money to go out clubbing.

Stop being such a goddamned quitter. Go to r/pua or r/seduction, r/fitness and r/malefashionadvice and follow the advice in the sidebar. If all you want to do is get laid even with a repulsive personality it’s a numbers game and the highest value is in the PUA stuff. Having a body that works like it’s supposed to will both help you with getting some and your mental health. Dressing well is the least important. If you just don’t care about that go all Steve Jobs about it and wear the same outfit all the time, whether it’s a suit like Vonneuman or a tracksuit that fits.

And don’t put yourself down. Other people are happy to do it for you.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

Method-X wrote: post #42

I'd encourage folks here to check out ZeroNet ( https://zeronet.io ). It's a cool little project I've been following for the past couple years that's attempting to decentralize the Internet. It's not very popular but surprisingly it has 11.5k stars on GitHub ( https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet ).

Can I use your service to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person? Asking for a friend.
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