Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore • Hacker News Board

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by dang » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:21 PM UTC

yakitori wrote: post #185

cutler wrote: post #87

Society is sick, let's face it, and technology is largely to blame. We just can't see the danger in technology so long as we're blinded by everything shiny. Human beings are primarily social beings and no, that does not mean peering at each other through the alienating window of a mobile phone screen. In 1969, at the age of 9, I could be left to play with my friends and wander several miles from home without any sens…

> that does not mean peering at each other through the alienating window of a mobile phone screen. Says who? You are falling into the trap every old person does. Thinking their youth was great and that society is going to crumble since you are on your way out and the kids today didn't live like you did. > In 1969, at the age of 9, I could be left to play with my friends and wander several miles from home without any…

This crosses into personal attack, and several of your other comments are bordering on breaking the site guidelines if not breaking them outright. Would you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and make a course correction? We're looking for thoughtful, substantive discussion here.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by thousandautumns » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:22 PM UTC

jjawssd wrote: post #212

vasilipupkin wrote: post #198

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so why more downvotes? can someone explain to me the logic of what exactly you are disagreeing with?

Don't take it personally. You won't get many warm replies from American city dwellers for pointing out the failures of their communities.

I think Americans are probably among the first to admit the issues with their communities, hence the increased trend in helicopter parenting.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by richardknop » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:23 PM UTC

cirath wrote: post #174

thraweigh666 wrote: post #167

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Surely you knew multiculturalism would destroy your high-trust homogeneous society. If not, the lesson is now very clear. It's not too late. We can go back.

Woah now, let's not make any wild leaps here. The Roman Empire was fantastically multicultural at its high points and its low. The United States has never been homogeneous, no matter where in its history you find yourself -- the low or the high points. In fact, I (and many others) would argue that a lot of the meteoric rise of the United States occurred on the backs of labor that did not match the current ideals of t…

> The Roman Empire was fantastically multicultural at its high points and its low.

Citation needed. As far as I am aware from my understanding of history, Roman Empire was very large geographically but there were homogeneous cultures / tribes living in separate areas of the vast empire. You had Germanic tribes living together in proximity, same with Gauls, Eastern tribes like Vandals or Visigoths, local cultures also inhabited parts of Roman Empire outside of European continent such as Northern Africa or Israel.

This should be evident as Europe was very homogeneous until early 20th century still with societies being mainly composed of similar peoples in their respective areas and this was obviously a continuation of Roman Empire’s former tribes.

Trying to make a comparison with current world where you have melting pots in places like London or New York might be inaccurate. But I’d like to be educated on this issue more.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by astura » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:23 PM UTC

hrktb wrote: post #66

dragonwriter wrote: post #38

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This is definitely true, and driven in part by media-driven hysteria that has led to the decades of the perception that child abduction and similar child targeting crimes are on the rise, while the reverse has been the case.

I think it’s not just that. For instance 20 years ago there was public phone booths everywhere. A kid would just need a few coins and the house number to do a call, now you’d need a cell phone, and giving one to a 5~8 year kid is still not practical. Or I remember shopping at local shops enough to know their faces and names, or ask shop owner if the other kids where nearby. I don’t think my kid knows anyone other tha…

Most 5-8 year olds I personally know have cell phones.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by passivepinetree » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:24 PM UTC

pwaai wrote: post #235

dawhizkid wrote: post #22

I wonder why the "young adult nightlife experience" feels so stagnant. I like going to the occasional upscale cocktail bar, but in general spending Friday or Saturday night in a crowded bar or club is not my idea of a fun thing to do. What is the alternative for more introverted people? Stay home? I went to Copenhagen recently and on a Friday night came across a big coffee/beer+wine place with lots of tables/sofas th…

> What is the alternative for more introverted people? Stay home? Come on now. There's literally FUCKTONS of stuff to do on your own. I had this existential crisis when I realized how shitty Vancouver nightlife is and that it was never going to get better. Here's a list of stuff that I'm working on alone, even in the most boring city in the world. It's a combination of high adrenaline activities with quiet solitude m…

Can you elaborate more on "buy a cheap island"? Do you mean actually purchase land? Have you done this? Where are the cheap islands I can buy?

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by swiley » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:25 PM UTC

taternuts wrote: post #208

I wonder how much the pervasiveness of dating apps has to do with this as well. One of the bigger social motivators for my generation growing up was "are members of the opposite sex gonna be there?". Nowadays a lot of people meet on dating apps, _then_ choose to potentially socialize with each other and go out, whereas before you'd have to go out and be social to stand a chance of finding someone to date. Now you act…

As someone who's used a lot of dating apps:

It's an awful way to meet new people, especially potential partners. You (being the average male, since this is my experience) are competing to have a coffee date against a ridiculous number of above average males with someone who you've never met, who knows none of your friends and likely has very little in common with you. If you get their attention (which is a very hard thing to do) you might get one or two reply messages before you're forgotten about. If you manage to get a date it's unlikely to be someone who has all that much in common with you, it's likely to be someone looking for sex rather than an actual relationship, and they're unlikely to go on a second date with you anyway.

Honestly I haven't had a lot of luck dating in person or on line but at least I've made a lot of friends from doing stuff IRL, while dating apps leave you with absolutely nothing.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by astura » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:26 PM UTC

kgwgk wrote: post #271

matte_black wrote: post #240

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No way, plot a graph of average horsepower and top speeds over time and you'll see it going up and to the right.

If your point was that children should not wander along highways and race tracks I agree.

Your average driver drives way, way too fast on your average residential street and especially parking lots. I've noticed an uptick in the amount of times I've been illegally passed on residential streets in the last 10 years. My street is only around five-six small lot houses long and I'm almost impressed with how fast people manage to drive on it.

Of course, I'm not sure that it has much to do with the speed of the car they are driving.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by electricslpnsld » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:27 PM UTC

nofilter wrote: post #251

Umm, 25 here. All my friends are in the same age-group (21-29) and every other weekend we party like crazy. Sure, it's no longer the drink-until-you-puke type of party that we had when we were 18 (yes, in Europe you don't need be 21 to buy alcohol, 18 will suffice). It might be due to the fact that I also live in Barcelona, which is known for its parties. As far as how I was raised - umm, mom gave me a beer to try wh…

> All my friends are in the same age-group (21-29)

Your friend group is millennials. This article is about Gen Z, a decade younger than most millennials.

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Post by codekilla » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:27 PM UTC

ikurei wrote: post #263

ashark wrote: post #73

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If your parents had eliminated screens when you were very young (including theirs) save maybe one publicly-placed crappy terminal for wikipedia or looking up business hours or maps or learning you some programming or whatever, but loosened the reigns on hang-outs and travel, do you think you'd have still felt isolated because all your friends were still online most of the time? Asking as a parent with three young kid…

This is probably one of the most important questions possible: How should I teach my kids? I was denied access to computers, and I don't think it did me any good. I'm 27, so a bit old for this topic, but my house was specially up to date bc of my dad's job. The internet was dangerous and diabolic in my mom's mind though, and my access to computers was extremely limited. This, I feel, made me want computers even more.…

Raising children with technology is certainly a challenge. I have 5 kids, oldest 8 years old, youngest 15 months, living in a condo in LA because...you know......f'ing real estate prices, single family homes with 1200 square feet are 1.3 million in our district. So how do you let kids be free if they can't even go outside really?...and multiple kids in a condo without some kind of T.V. or tablet is utter insanity.

It's been very tough, but we don't have a T.V., we do let our kids use the tablet, with restricted apps and time. Our neighbors below us hate us and are moving....because you know....five kids stomping around above them, but I guess this is the new reality. The best thing we did was smooth coat all the walls with plaster and then make 2 large chalkboard walls. I am constantly surprised by how well this worked out. I think the tactility of the chalk has been an important factor, one that I overlooked, as I always used dry erase markers. I'm a convert to chalk now and my kids only use the best, Hagaromo full-touch. Working on math homework is a dream now as I can easily sketch out geometric concepts and have them trace over it with their fingers. Sure you could do it on paper, but something about standing in front of the chalkboard makes it more compelling. Aside from that setting up a folding table on the balcony and buying them a bunch of mid-grade chemistry stuff has also worked out surprisingly well. A couple days ago they created a catalytic reaction that actually gave off quite a good bit of heat. Could they have injured themselves? Probably. I'd rather have them experiment and explore.

4 of my kids are girls, and this raises special challenges. We fought a war with both sets of grandparents about not buying them dresses or pink gender defining toys. I was shocked how much resistance we got on this, but I strongly advise parents of girls to consider what the value of gender neutrality is, and whether or not it makes sense for them to try and abide by it when buying toys or clothes. If you do, be prepared to meet with a lot of resistance, both from your parents and public school. Just my two cents.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by unabst » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 9:29 PM UTC

ktta wrote: post #163

ashark wrote: post #73

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If your parents had eliminated screens when you were very young (including theirs) save maybe one publicly-placed crappy terminal for wikipedia or looking up business hours or maps or learning you some programming or whatever, but loosened the reigns on hang-outs and travel, do you think you'd have still felt isolated because all your friends were still online most of the time? Asking as a parent with three young kid…

I'm 20 and I have my experience to share too. My parents didn't really limit me going out. In fact, they encouraged it. But I found the internet to be way more fascinating compared to my friends. I did have friends and a 'normal' life, but I was an introvert by any measure. I had people to hang out with at school and places to hang out with friends after, but I never wanted to go out and goof off. I want to say it is…

I have a 3 year old. The ads absolutely get to him. And many are inappropriate.

Any game that he likes, I remove the ads. It's usually a dollar or two. I also consider it a tip to the developers for entertaining my kid.

I usually play together when I can. And he also enjoys watching me play. I actually can't wait for the day when he beats me at street fighter.

But I think the key is finding things he enjoys just as much as playing video games or watching tv. It's hard, but they exist. And exercise should be one of them. Solving puzzles another. Going outside on the scooter is another. Cooking is another. They aren't hard to find.

If he loves something too much, I'd limit it with a reward system. That's how the world works anyway.