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Re: macOS High Sierra: Anyone can login as “root” with empty password

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Apple makes it pretty easy to report vulnerabilities to: product-security@apple.com They also respond to security@apple.com but prefer the product-security address. Further, there are any number of legit bug bounty programs out there like ZDI that would pay for a bug like this then immediately disclose to Apple for it to be fixed. Disclosing an 0Day root authentication bypass vulnerability on Twitter isn't cool, even…

I really disagree - this needs to be reported as much as possible publicly to create a huge thunderstorm of negative publicity for Apple. This isn't the first extremely serious and dumb High Sierra password bug this year [1] [2], and unless Apple is severely hurt by it, so they're forced to change, it won't be the last. High Sierra is full of bugs and seemingly not just annoying bugs, but also security bugs. Let's ho…

I agree.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/10/drms-dead-canary-how-w...

Blame the DMCA. This guy is in Turkey - does GP really think he can expect fair treatment and equal compensation as a "western world" security researcher?

Re: macOS High Sierra: Anyone can login as “root” with empty password

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Yeah that was my thought initially too but there may be invisible ways to leverage an existing root user that we're not aware of. After all, this bug exists...

The issue is that the bug leaves a password-less root account available through other means as well. Once you try to reproduce the bug, an attacker could potentially do a remote root login without password. As such, it's very dangerous for people to try to verify and should be strongly discouraged.

On most systems, root without password isn't available remotely. Is this not true on OSX?

Re: macOS High Sierra: Anyone can login as “root” with empty password

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If that were true, then the security community wouldn't have spent years fighting about whether responsible disclosure was the right approach. That's for people who actually understand this stuff. It's unreasonable to expect an outsider to derive it all on their own from first principles.

So someone stumbles upon a lost cache of chemical weapons. Rather than reporting to the authorities, they post its location on Twitter. That's called just using your brain.

You're coming at this from a position of knowledge and assuming everyone else knows as much as you do, or should be able to figure it out in short order. That's not how it works. It's really hard to see how other people might think in situations like this.

Re: macOS High Sierra: Anyone can login as “root” with empty password

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Apple makes it pretty easy to report vulnerabilities to: product-security@apple.com They also respond to security@apple.com but prefer the product-security address. Further, there are any number of legit bug bounty programs out there like ZDI that would pay for a bug like this then immediately disclose to Apple for it to be fixed. Disclosing an 0Day root authentication bypass vulnerability on Twitter isn't cool, even…

It's not local if you have Remote Desktop enabled. Works over that too. From there you can enable ssh and all bets are off.

"It only works after getting physical access once" - quote form somewhere else in the thread

Re: macOS High Sierra: Anyone can login as “root” with empty password

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Title should be changed to 'macOS' I initially saw this thinking it didn't affect Sierra or High Sierra.

Now you have me confused, is it just High Sierra or Sierra as well?

It does not work for me using Sierra.

Re: macOS High Sierra: Anyone can login as “root” with empty password

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Excuse my language, but this was a dick move to post this publicly, especially on Twitter. Go through private bug channels properly for something as serious as this. Of course doing it that way doesn't give you your 15 minutes of interweb fame.

When I put it into my personal malice / ignorance balance, it weighs out to the likelihood that the discloser isn't plugged in enough to the infosec scene to be aware that there are already best practices for this kind of disclosure. It's a big world out there, especially nowadays. And nothing I've seen in recent history suggests to me the average user knows or cares about infosec concerns beyond basic hindsight unde…

Sure, now look at his Twitter account. He looks pretty plugged into the software community.

Agile Software Craftsman, iyzicoder @ http://www.iyzico.com , Founder of Software Craftsmanship Turkey @scturkey, The community guy http://bit.ly/lemiorhan

Re: macOS High Sierra: Anyone can login as “root” with empty password

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Excuse my language, but this was a dick move to post this publicly, especially on Twitter. Go through private bug channels properly for something as serious as this. Of course doing it that way doesn't give you your 15 minutes of interweb fame.

Maybe he didn't know about the proper procedures to handle a security vulnerability. You wouldn't have to be a security researcher to discover this bug, and I don't see any indication that he is one.

Also, it's reasonable for someone to think that making a public stink about it is in the best interest of all the people then that can immediately patch it themselves instead of having to wait for Apple to push a patch and then for everyone to download that patch.

I'm not convinced private disclosure is without its downsides nor a panacea.

Re: macOS High Sierra: Anyone can login as “root” with empty password

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It's the neighborly thing to do, but people are under no obligation to report vulns privately. The blame lies squarely on Apple, not on the messenger. The fact that we know about it means we can take steps to mitigate the damage.

The blame lies squarely on Apple, not on the messenger. There is blame on both. If you leave your key in your front door lock and I blast out on twitter your address and tell people about it, I think I have some responsibility.

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