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Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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My guess is flashing LineageOS + microG + yalp store is closest you can get.

Only if you're not bothered by the fact that you'll be giving up on the vast majority of apps that most people use.

Better than using dumbphone though. Another option is an iPhone, but understandably not everyone wants to go with it.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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I'm very tempted to go down this route, but it seems to fail the "easy to install and use" bit.

I am a very happy LineageOS user. The installation wasn't difficult: you only need a supported phone and like 1-2 hour of spare time for backup, reading docs, flash and restore the apps. I suggest you to give LineageOS a try!

AFAIK even if you use LineageOS, gapps will still phone home and there is nothing you can do about it. MicroG/yalt is the most user unfriendly thing in this combo, far worse than just flashing custom rom, but it gets rid of it.

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If you care about personal privacy and security of your friends and family, you should discourage them from using Android.

What can Android or other mobile OS users do to protect their privacy? Is there a mobile OS that genuinely takes privacy seriously, yet is easy to install and use?

iOS is _slightly_ better on privacy.

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Apple provides a black box with iOS, they have full control. Maybe the next iOS update comes with privacy intrusion because it's more lucrative. A more sensible way of dealing wirh the issue would be to use an open source Android version like AOSP or LineageOS, not run proprietary gapps, and replace its functionality with F-Droid, MicroG and Yalp-store. Your location will stay out of Apple's/Google's hands and you ca…

I don't understand people in this thread defending Apple when AOSP is clearly more open. Yes, Apple has done well so far, but at the end of the day what are you going to trust? A talking head, or the actual code running on your device? It smells of rationalization for anyone to say that it would not be in Apple's interest to collect personal information.

AOSP is certainly more open, but half the system and its apps are provided through gapps which are also black box binary blobs that you can't easily dissect.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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post #63

It's amazing to me how many comments here excuse Google's behavior by offering the impractical "solution" of just not using a smartphone (a false dilemma) when the obvious answer is to get an iPhone. That's the advice of pretty much everyone in the infosec field and I'm sure some of them will attest to that in this thread.

Apple provides a black box with iOS, they have full control. Maybe the next iOS update comes with privacy intrusion because it's more lucrative. A more sensible way of dealing wirh the issue would be to use an open source Android version like AOSP or LineageOS, not run proprietary gapps, and replace its functionality with F-Droid, MicroG and Yalp-store. Your location will stay out of Apple's/Google's hands and you ca…

true, however given that Apple's business model is specifically not based on privacy intrusion and Google's is the likelihood of this happening is probably pretty negligible.

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post #177

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Did you try googling "delete apple id"? It's pretty straightforward. Given that, what point are you trying to make?

There is a way to delete your data from Google or ms. Not Apple. BTW, there is no way to delete apple Id. Seriously try doing it. You cannot.

Not sure why you are being downvoted, but as someone who did try deleting an appleid, there is no self service way of doing so. Basically ended up removing all possible data; and filling the rest with fake values. Finally I changed the password to some random string. Not sure how much aux/opaque data remains that I could not see (eg location services), but this was secondary throwaway account, so I didnt care much.

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post #262

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Most apps are worth 0.99, even if they cost significantly more to develop. When one considers the ads, tracking, changing features from under the customer, that's their value. The stuff that's really good costs money also on iOS. The Abby OCR is 64 EUR, OmniFocus is about 44 EUR, Korg Gadget cost 45 EUR (now 20, maybe a special offer). What keyboard to use is a freedom, but not really an important one. It's a conveni…

You're a delighted Apple customer - I get it, it's your right. It's also my right to question your view that "security is freedom, freedom is insecurity and danger" (ok, I'm mean/ probably misrepresenting the second part. But not the first one - and that alone should give you a bit of pause)

I'm not delighted, I'm pissed off that Apple is the best choice (having no devices aside) for someone that would like the keep their basic rights to private life.

I considered using Android devices, and had to concede that I have neither the time nor the skill to remove all the spyware added by very motivated and skilled Google engineers. It's a losing battle. So I decided to compromise on my freedom to control "my" device.

This decision is not for everybody. But using plain Android should not be for anybody, people deserve better than a peeping tom like Google.

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post #275

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I would much rather have a "feature" phone or no mobile at all than have an iPhone again, even if it were free. Living in a walled garden to escape prying eyes is sacrificing freedom for security.

That's like trading walled garden for the solitary cell in the name of freedom. What freedoms of a feature phone cannot you get on iPhone?

I see your point. Still, my latter comment stands, even if the first one just betrays my personal hatred of Apple.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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> why would they not? Because this sort of thing inevitably leaks? Apple has a formula that demonstrably works, a formula that everyone can directly observe making them an utterly stupid amount of money. It would be the height of stupidity to risk their unparalleled monetary successes to pursue a few dirty little crumbs.

Exactly - especially when you are employing privacy-conscious developers, it would be nearly impossible to keep it contained. Someone would leak it to the EFF. It's better business strategy for Apple to not defect.

Guys, this is all just plain old wishful thinking. Neither you, nor me, nor most people here have any real clue what decisions are being done behind closed doors of Apple, or other companies. All the high profile cases are mostly PR-oriented, see how PRISM was handled (not that they had any choice, but it is what it is).

Don't attach these emotions where they are not appropriate. Apple is a for-profit company. If they will be pressed hard by US government behind closed doors, they will bulge and you won't know about it, why should you (maybe in 10 years as part of some leak). If they will decide to change their strategy, they will. They have 0 moral issues hiding gazillions of cash offshore from IRS. Just like any other company out there.

Simple fact is, most people don't care about security. I work in IT, and I have numerous friends with iPhones, but exactly 0 of them cares about extra potential security when choosing phones, most have no clue about these issues. Regular people choose Apple because of Apple and how things look and feel, and how they are perceived among others as a status indicator.

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