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Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by izacus »

briandear wrote: post #278
5_minutes wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your appreciation for the software but begging for another subscription fee? One feature here is that the authors charge a normal fee and are not greedy in your pockets, like 1Password and many others. I really do appreciate the classic software pricing. It could be a higher fee, or more frequent but I'm really tired of all the Recurring costs!

Greedy? 1Password requires servers. You’re “consuming” that every month. Perhaps if 1Password cost $200 one time?

1Password works (or worked) without use of their servers by storing datastore on 3rd party cloud, which incurred no costs to them.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by [deleted] »

nichochar wrote: post #250
TheKarateKid wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone please explain to me why $80 for Sublime Text is a good price for a text editor? I'm not flaming, I genuinely want to know. I've tried Gedit, Atom, VS Code, Notepad++ and I fail to see what Sublime offers over those to justify the price.

It's highly likely that OP simply stumbled upon it, or someone recommended it, and now he learned it and is used to it and knows how productive it can be. Thing is, same is true for any other good IDE, of which there are plenty. Personally, it always blows my mind that people don't use VIM :) if they actually spent 5-20hours learning VIM correctly they would not touch these inferior pretty looking UIs

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Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by agladlad »

agentgt wrote: post #263

One of the reasons I still use both Emacs and Vim (yes I strangely use both) is because I can go execute them on a terminal (terminal, tmux, screen, etc). There are just so many times I need to SSH into a machine. I know Emacs has some remote file editing capabilities but for some reason I never liked it (I can't recall why now... I think it was the need to sudo). So I'm wondering what sublime text fans do for remote…

I'm fairly happy with the sshfs implementation provided by the FUSE project: https://github.com/osxfuse/sshfs/releases

Once you set some flags like sshfs -o auto_cache,reconnect,defer_permissions,negative_vncache,noappledouble user@host:/ /path/to/local/ it's pretty robust.

I can then edit files remotely but still use Sublime Text :)

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by bitexploder »

lvoudour wrote: post #136

Sublime is probably the first GUI text editor that left me satisfied. Everything else over the years was either non-portable, slow or lacking features. After two months of use I just had to buy it, it's worth the price. - It's fast and responsive, can handle large files and personally I've never seen it leaking memory or crashing - Love the goto anything and command palette, brilliant - Text editing is great and can…

First: I love ST. It is an amazing software that runs just as good on Mac/Linux/Win. In a pinch I will download and use it and never complain. Python extensibility is also great, since Python is the language I do best.

That said, and I hate to be this guy (not really), but... Emacs?

* Performance: Acceptable on modern day

* Goto Anything: Helm/Projectile, command palette = M-x

* Text Editing: It is what emacs does best as a program

* Themes: Yes

* Project Handling: Projectile

* IDE Features: These exist

* Source Control Integration: Many people use emacs purely because of Magit, it is a great git UI that people won't know about in general because it is runs on emacs

I copy my ~/.emacs.d to a server, literally my whole environment minus some tty nuisances just works. Everything. All my package versions. Emacs is stable enough that not many things break between big versions 23/24/25.

There are two areas ST wins: Out of the box configuration and performance on very big things. It is true the learning curve to settle all of these features I am mentioning is non-trivial, but Emacs is open source and, like I mentioned, very stable. It has gotten enough right in its initial concept that it will always be a fine environment to mangle up some text in files into whatever you want.

This brings me to my next point, there is nothing really new under the sun regarding text editing. Atom/VS Code/Eclipse/IntelliJ/Emacs -- you want to edit a bunch of files in a directory structure, navigate quickly and easily between files and get context important information about the code. Everything else is just flavors of those same chores, often specialized to a few programming languages or whatever new things are popular at the time (JavaScript / Can we build an editor in JavaScript).

I have seen very little innovation in the field of text editing. Light table was interesting, and its no surprise it is very Clojure/Lisp oriented. I am in a giant lisp machine when editing code in emacs, I can whack out a lisp expression anywhere and emacs will faithfully evaluate it for me.

Next point: If you work in a language or big project you need a way to navigate and generate lots of boiler plate in some languages (Java). IDEs help there, but...

Final point: The speed with which we write text as programmers is not the limiting factor of how much software we can produce and never has been.

My conclusion was to invest in one editor that has been around a long time and just not worry too much about it. I can use emacs in 20 years probably. Who knows about atom or vs code or whatever. So it isn't a pro emacs, you should use emacs reply to you, but that over the long run, using the same system to edit text is probably worth it. Stick with one thing and ignore everything else unless you are forced to use some IDE, and even then really try to avoid it. Even then I am pretty sure I could do my job with Gedit or Notepad without much of a productivity hit.

edit: formatting

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by geerlingguy »

marcuslager wrote: post #252
TheKarateKid wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone please explain to me why $80 for Sublime Text is a good price for a text editor? I'm not flaming, I genuinely want to know. I've tried Gedit, Atom, VS Code, Notepad++ and I fail to see what Sublime offers over those to justify the price.

I bought a license simply beacuse Sublime Text was the only editor that could open a wikipedia json data dump. I installed many editors before I more than willingly paid for Sublime.

For me, same thing: no other editor gives me the decent UI of a GUI-based editor, but with the speed of vim when working with large text files (e.g. 10MB+).

I will often use sed or other CLI tools to parse through giant files (1GB+), but sublime only takes a short bit to load in a pretty hefty file, or a do regex search across entire projects with multiple-GB of files, and it works natively on Mac and Windows, so even when I'm forced to work on something on my Windows 10 laptop, I can be productive.

Well worth whatever I paid for it 4 years ago.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by govg »

samueloph wrote: post #127
dragandj wrote: post #110

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Did you know that there are rich distributions that have done that for you? You can literally install those with a few simple steps and have fully functional super environment. Key words for Google search: Emacs Prelude, or Spacemacs

Didn't know that, thanks! TODO: search for vim equivalents

Neovim has some good documentation on how to get started. Also, spacemacs has vim bindings if you wish, afaik.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by favadi »

teamhappy wrote: post #124
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #12

>apt/yum/pacman repositories for Linux Major kudos to these guys for distributing their software properly on Linux!

Let me rephrase that. Major kudos to these guys for enduring distributing their software properly on Linux!

In the past few months, I see some popular linux softwares started to using AppImage (https://appimage.org/) to distribute prebuilt binary. Not sure if it is a good option for SublimeText.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by 5_minutes »

briandear wrote: post #278
5_minutes wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your appreciation for the software but begging for another subscription fee? One feature here is that the authors charge a normal fee and are not greedy in your pockets, like 1Password and many others. I really do appreciate the classic software pricing. It could be a higher fee, or more frequent but I'm really tired of all the Recurring costs!

Greedy? 1Password requires servers. You’re “consuming” that every month. Perhaps if 1Password cost $200 one time?

5/month to store 1kb of passwords

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by geerlingguy »

Volt wrote: post #223
mstade wrote: post #70

I honestly can't believe I'm saying this, but: can you please enable me to buy a new license for 4.0 even though it may not even be on the road map yet? Or switch to / enable a subscriber model which is paid yearly and gives access to all upgrades? I rely so much on sublime for my day to day work and I fear the $80 or whatever I paid for it whenever ago is too cheap for the amount of value I'm getting out of it, and…

Do you think that TextMate fell by the wayside because of an unsustainable business model?

It fell by the wayside because 2.0 was the HL3 of text editor releases, IMO. Open sourcing it was too little, too late. Even though Sublime Text has had long periods of inactivity, the beta releases every quarter or two were just enough to keep people who loved the editor hooked. TextMate lost people like me because there was, for a long time, zero indication it would continue being developed.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by yoodenvranx »

JohnKacz wrote: post #217
yoodenvranx wrote: post #161

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What about the idea to sell 'silver/gold/diamond supporter' licences for 100/200/300$ to people who _really_ love your software? I am not even talking about adding some special features, just enable people to pay more than the normal price and perhaps just add a nice 'Thanks for your extra support' badge to the 'Info' menu.

Or give the diamond supporters the ability to vote on features. That may not be something Jon and Will would want though.

That is exactly what I would avoid. Don't add any special features to it (vote for features, faster support responses) because that will take time from normal development. Just clearly state: "This software cost x$. And if you love it so much that you would pay double the price then you are free to do so."
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