Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor • Hacker News Board

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 7:42 PM UTC

x0x0 wrote: post #275

BackendAndBBQ wrote: post #154

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> Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path AFAIK, they offer migration from Hipchat to Stride https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/upgrad... > We'll move all of your teammates, rooms, files, custom emoticons, and message history over to Stride for you so your team won't miss a beat.

The question is why one would trust Atlassian to make decent software this time when hipchat is such a POS. On a former team we were forced to use hipchat and their android client just nuked my battery. It was like night and day; remove the app and my battery lasts 24-30h; with it hipchat installed it would last 10 hours. This was a stock Nexus device btw.

I don't keep the client running all the time, but i do get notifications when I'm mentioned by name; haven't noticed any egregious problems.

I don't think Hipchat is a POS - it gets the job done - but it is lacking some features that I would consider to be fairly basic. (Why can't I edit messages except with the s// syntax? Why can't I do basic text formatting?)

I do agree with you on the lack of faith, though. Jira's text formatting is even worse than Hipchat's.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by __MatrixMan__ » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 7:44 PM UTC

andrewfong wrote: post #222

baddox wrote: post #196

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I'm basically the opposite. I cannot stand email for day-to-day work discussion, because there is effectively no way to distinguish messages by priority or time-sensitivity. Email sits in the horrible middle road between synchronous (like a phone call) or asynchronous (like a physical mailed letter). I think email works well (and seems to be designed) for the latter use case, but at work there may be an expectation o…

> effectively no way to distinguish messages by priority or time-sensitivity How do you do that with Slack?

Channel -> [gear icon] -> mute

Alternatively:

Channel -> [gear icon] -> Notification Preferences -> Just mentions

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by SomeHacker44 » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 7:45 PM UTC

new299 wrote: post #174

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #141

As the head of a company that uses HipChat... Thank you Atlassian. We have intended to migrate to the (free and better) Mattermost for a long time and just have been waiting for it to hit the top of our priority list. Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path and 50% more cost, makes this an easier choice. You have been abandoning us on JIRA and Confluence as…

What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing). Are there any good options now?

Confluence is pretty good. It's better than MediaWiki, the Wikis built into GitLab (or GitHub if that's your thing), etc.

I dislike that it doesn't support MarkDown as a native language, but it does have a solid WYSIWYG.

I'd say Confluence is the best of their products and the one that I'd be most likely to use again in the future.

I've also used their CI solution at another company and I found that one easier to use than most of the other open source ones, although I haven't tried some of the newer ones in the last few years or GitLab's CI integration.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by jamiesonbecker » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 7:50 PM UTC

semperdark wrote: post #238

jamiesonbecker wrote: post #192

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Hi Solatic, no problem and appreciate your direct approach :) Pull requests are gratefully accepted: https://github.com/userify/userify-server-tools Why don't you discuss with one of our solutions architects (or me) by email instead? Most enterprises definitely do package for their unique environment, and we certainly will assist. My email is jamieson.becker@.

You're making him go through an awful lot of trouble to be a customer. This sounds like you're telling him to stop talking about his concerns so loudly (in public) rather than actually looking into them.

Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like that! Just didn't want to stray too far OT.

But I meant what I said.. we work with a lot of larger companies that need to integrate Userify into docker, ansible, terraform, chef, cloudformation, etc. There's so many different ways that people prefer to manage their systems that we don't want to push a single One True Way(tm).

We instead try to cover 80% of the use cases with a simple script that can be deployed in a typical cloud scenario which is open sourced at github -- and then customers can customize when necessary or even provide pull reqs back if their customizations are generally applicable.

Some of the parent's complaints are themselves a result of issues that customers have run into, and if this buried in an RPM, it'd be a lot less transparent on what it does and how it works. For example, we force a pip upgrade, because the version that's built into RHEL6 is too old and can't build cryptography, etc. We also don't forcibly add pool.ntp.org -- we run ntpdate against it to get a quick clock set. We have to add EPEL because RHEL6 and RHEL7 don't provide Redis in their own repos. This is designed to be run, as the docs clearly state, on a clean RHEL7+ or Ubuntu 16+ instance with defaults. How you customize it, either before or after, is entirely up to you.

Anyway, Userify is certainly not for everyone. A lot of people still prefer to manage their keys with shell scripts or Chef or something, which usually works great for small teams with flat perm structures.

Sorry for sidetracking the discussion about Atlassian. Even though we don't use their software, I'm a big fan of their success story. Mike Cannon-Brooke's deck on how they scaled Atlassian from $10k on a credit card is really quite awesome.. I can't seem to find the video of him presenting it at a conference, but the deck alone is great:

https://www.slideshare.net/mcannonbrookes/scaling-atlassian-...

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by SomeHacker44 » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 7:53 PM UTC

bpicolo wrote: post #31

briffle wrote: post #24

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Can't find any info about a datacenter edition, only the cloud. But if hipchat is going away in cloud, then that is going to mean were not going to see any new features in hipchat datacenter...

> then that is going to mean were not going to see any new features in hipchat datacenter... That's been mostly true for a while anyway. You still can't delete or sanely edit a message in hipchat.

Oddly, this is the ONLY thing I think HipChat has ever done sanely.

I've been using sed expressions for almost three decades to alert my fellow chatters of an error in my previous message.

The first time I did that in HipChat... It edited my previous message. I nearly fell off my chair. It was and is probably my favorite HipChat feature.

s/favorite/favourite/ for my English fellow humans. :)

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by lovich » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 7:56 PM UTC

Kadin wrote: post #273

quickthrower2 wrote: post #118

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You are correct but so often we are measured on individual productivity. And you get what you measure. So team members will want to work distraction-free to max their KPIs. Your insights good, it needs to be needed by managers and staff that the team is working as a team.

I recently re-read the classic "Peopleware" (written 1974) and I think it's a bit unfortunate, given all the innovation elsewhere in the field, that there hasn't been much innovation or even experimentation about the nature of employment or how teams are constructed and actually execute work. Sure, there's a new "method" every few years but these seem like tinkering around the edges. I admit this is not a fully-forme…

The team based compensation is interesting but I don't think any company other than some startups would go for it. The main reason would be falling afoul of discrimination laws. The teams would be highly incentivized to exclude people that they thought would be less productive, say a pregnant woman who the team thought would be out for a long period, but the government will be holding the company accountable and not the team itself.

It's the same result of you get what you measure

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by inthewoods » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 7:57 PM UTC

briandear wrote: post #237

inthewoods wrote: post #235

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And you're leaving off Flock.com (Slack clone) and Google Hangouts (whenever that emerges in its new form).

Flock? That product built by the billionaire that wanted to change the world by creating a Slack clone?

Yes that Flock

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by exotree » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 8:03 PM UTC

sailfast wrote: post #129

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

Working remotely, these tools are critical for communication (even focused communication, with periods of disconnection) as well as building some semblance of culture. In an office, you may not need it as much but it's definitely useful, especially with APIs and other commands integrated. As for notifications - that comes down to personal preferences and team norms. Disconnecting / setting do not disturb (which I not…

Yes. For those who have worked remote before these tools, it's like night and day experience.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by fstephany » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 8:10 PM UTC

Kadin wrote: post #274

cortesoft wrote: post #263

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Wait, why is email unsearchable?

Mostly Microsoft Outlook. (But more seriously, even with a good MUA and either client-side or server-side search, the way mail messages are constructed, with tons of reply quoting, makes searching them a pain.) In lots of business cultures there's no expectation to search email, because it's so hard to get useful results that way, so if you send it in an email you can expect to have people just ask you to send it aga…

Search is one of the main reason why I ditched Thunderbird for GMail...

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by tigroferoce » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

nerpderp83 wrote: post #267

erikb wrote: post #253

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You need to consider that a coder most oftne self evaluates performance as time spent writing code. If he spends 50% of his time planing, learning, comunicating, and 50% coding he will consider it a 50% performance drop.

My productivity is measured on 1) me understanding the domain 2) finding a well factored solution to the problems in that domain These things are incredibly hard. Using chat is like skipping a meal or a nap. Communication isn't valuable in and of itself.

I like 1) a lot. It is too often neglected, but understanding the domain, actually understanding what the customer really wants are very difficult tasks.