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Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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This is the OneNote screen clipping tool. If you don't have Office, Win+Shift+S doesn't do anything. This is a super useful tool, but most often I paste into mspaint and mark up from there.

Since the creators update this is a system wide shortcut afaik. So it should work without OneNote.

Doesn't do anything for me. Running the creator's update without OneNote or Office installed.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Every time GIMP crashes on my Mac (been meaning to figure out why but for some reason its when I copy and paste) I think of Microsoft Paint and I would love it if Apple had an analog. Its sad because other than MS Excel, MS Paint is one of the few MS apps I know how to use. I am so bad with word and powerpoint. Even my knowledge of Excel is pretty bad. I have been known to even load up simple datasets in Postgres,Pan…

Although fairly basic, with the Preview app you can do some minor editing, annotating, drawing, cropping, resizing, etc.

I'm embarrassed to say it took me a full year of mac use (I came from linux originally) to learn that preview app could edit as well you can insert your own signature!

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Off topic, but what caught my eye in the article was this: > Now Microsoft has announced that, alongside Outlook Express, Reader app and Reading list, Microsoft Paint For those who don't know Reader was introduced in Windows 8 as a PDF reader with annotation support (worked with Stylus in just black colour). I always hoped it would get more features and could become comparable to Preview on Mac. But sadly it was neve…

On the flip side, I don't have as much trouble remembering if I left something open in Reader or IE11 as I did in Windows 8.1 with everything merged in Edge. It's an interesting trade-off, and while it does add more tabs to a place where I already keep too many tabs it is somewhat nice to be able to scroll through all of it in one place.

Maybe some of the new tab management tools in Edge since the Creators Update help? (I'll be honest, I'm not yet using them as much as I thought I would.)

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Off topic, but what caught my eye in the article was this: > Now Microsoft has announced that, alongside Outlook Express, Reader app and Reading list, Microsoft Paint For those who don't know Reader was introduced in Windows 8 as a PDF reader with annotation support (worked with Stylus in just black colour). I always hoped it would get more features and could become comparable to Preview on Mac. But sadly it was neve…

Got to get people to use Edge somehow. Also try banning installers from adding pinned icons so users don't use Chrome, banning installers from setting defaults so users don't use Chrome, When you do open Chrome adding adverts for Edge to the screen (it's totally faster guys, come on). Banning browsers from the Windows Store, and thus Windows 10S.

"...banning installers from setting defaults..." goes way, way further than "... so users don't use Chrome". Installers silently replacing my default app is user-hostile and I encourage any steps my OS vendor takes to reduce the ability to do that.

I had zero problems manually switching my default browser in Windows 10 to Chrome.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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As a 3rd-party developer I could almost understand retiring apps (too many dependencies on deprecated stuff, ancient code base is too hard to maintain, etc.).

Yet built-in apps are much more special. For one, many people consider built-in apps to be "the OS" as much as the OS itself. And two, if there is any development team that can continue supporting an ancient code base, it's the OS vendor: if they really have to, they can do things other companies can't (like privately continue to ship functions that are now publicly unavailable). It should always be more in their interest to evolve rather than redo.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Question is why does MS after 32 years still include incredible WEAK tools like Paint and Notepad? They should spent a little and buy up some of the great tools out there and include them in windows.

That is why Paint is now deprecated: a successor named Paint 3D has replaced it in the Creators Update in May. Whether or not you think the 3D features are all that interesting, it's definitely interesting seeing Microsoft invest in new ideas for the built-in apps.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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What you describe as the "dumbing down" of the file system is the inherent consequence of multi-user operating systems, i.e. a bias towards the user's home folders; clearly done to help users better organise their documents. Meanwhile, power users are not even momentarily impeded, with key locations (such as the file system root) readily accessible from the Go menu. Or keyboard shortcuts. Or the terminal. Or from the…

Power users not being impeded is precisely my point, and you've made it for me. That these features are considered "advanced" and thus buried is my argument. These kinds of features are not surfaced readily (existing many interactions deep, and not single gesture or action operations) or they are completely absent from the bundled operating system distribution, despite comprising essential utilities.

Asserting that full access to the file system is 'buried' in MacOS is flat-out wrong, and borderline insulting. It's all there in the Go menu which is visible on screen.

If MacOS doesn't ship with your obscure checklist of "essential utilities" then go cry in the corner quietly. Meanwhile Windows 10 doesn't even ship with a real bash shell, which I consider essential.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Agreed! Paint was the only Microsoft product that I actually loved.

They did the same thing with the calculator, turning what is probably the simplest app on the entire computer into a Metro-ified flat-design-meme store-dependent mess for absolutely no benefit.

It really I've was already using Launchy instead of Cortana. So, when I saw what a mess Calculator had become in 10, Launcy ended up replacing that too for simple calculations.

It's sad, because by themselves programs like Paint and Calculator are simple. But, when done well, they come together to improve the quality of life while using Windows.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Krita is an alternative to MS Paint in the same way that operating a railway network is an alternative to driving a bicycle: it does much more with far greater hardware, software, user effort and user experience requirements. Additionally, the specific focus on high-end painting using a tablet means that emulating MS Paint with pixel-perfect drawing, crisp shapes and palettes has halfhearted support or needs clever w…

> Krita is an alternative to MS Paint in the same way that operating a railway network is an alternative to driving a bicycle I think that is too harsh. Although Krita can do more than Paint the user-experience is pretty well done and it also works for basic tasks providing useful defaults.

Yes, Krita is well polished, but it deliberately offers advanced tools: some proudly beyond the competition (e.g. layers and brush engines), some quirky, some plain and dependable, some state of the art, all meant for expert users and optimized for serious work (including basic tasks), not for ease of learning.
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