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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by qznc »

dotBen wrote: post #188

No, this is simply proof that consumers must pick carefully the hardware vendor they decide to buy as which software it comes with will vary greatly between devices. This is simply not an issue with Google Pixel/Nexus devices, Samsung or any of the other major vendors. Running Cyanogen (which has now no longer developed) nor 'GAPPS' (Google's standard package of apps that gives you access to the Play Store, and the s…

Wileyfox officially came with CyanogenMod. That was one of their main features. Now that CyanogenMod Inc is bust, they build their own stuff and with the Update to Android 7 you get that. Turns out they also integrated two other companies TrueCaller and Yandex.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

nkrisc wrote: post #246
alasdair_ wrote: post #118

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It's more fun when they try to swipe the TV and can't understand why it doesn't work the same way.

I've seen a toddler try to swipe on a magazine. It was both hilarious and enlightening.

I recently caught myself holding my finger on a paper book and waiting for the translation dialog to pop up. Guess too much time spent reading on a Kindle.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

gerdesj wrote: post #210
microcolonel wrote: post #174

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I think everyone here calls them cellphones. I call them mobiles and everyone gets it. Handy... wouldn't work in Canada, and I suspect not in the U.S. either.

Handy (CA, US etc) == handjob (GB etc). Presumably handy is an abbreviation of handjob. I know blowjob is in common parlance at least on both sides of the pond. Perhaps it is just as well DE didn't pick blowey or blowie (those are in use over here in a similar way to handy on the left edge of the pond.) Handy could work in the UK except that it is extensively used already as an adjective eg: "that's a bit handy" or "…

A mildly interesting dovetail to all that is that a vernacular for phone used to be "the blower". I suspect through comparison of early phones with [ships] communication voice-pipes.

Cf. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_tube#Domestic_use.

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Post by ranveeraggarwal »

Which is why I switched to Google-made phones (Nexus). No bloat, frequent security up dates and default apps. Sure, Google knows what I'm having for dinner, but it's a single entity I trust. At least I don't go about moving through apps, reading their TnCs.

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Post by sirn »

derefr wrote: post #218
tomc1985 wrote: post #207

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This is exactly the problem with technology. Asshole companies have to productify everything . It's not about being paranoid, it's about operational simplicity. Dialing a phone is dialing a phone; not everyone wants Google to think for them The act of punching in a number should not require any outside services or assistance or requirements. If there are value-added components to add then they can manifest as modular…

We're not just talking about dialing a phone; we're talking about a Phone app. Which is—besides being a dialer—also a call history list, and a notification UI that appears when you receive a call to let you decide whether to accept it or not. Both of those use-cases benefit far more from looking up numbers than dialing does. As it is, if I'm sitting at my desk with my iPhone and get a call from a number I don't recog…

iOS do have this integration in the form of Caller Identification. An app can provide a caller information to the Phone app (I believe in a form of a database, rather than sending each call to remote server) and it will show up in the caller screen. Any VoIP app that integrate with CallKit will automatically get this functionality as well.

Whoscall is one example and is pretty popular in Asia.

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Post by mnw21cam »

qznc wrote: post #279
edwintorok wrote: post #189

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I've almost buyed the Wileyfox Swift last week, but I'm glad that I've seen discussions around Truecaller and the Zen ads, which changed my mind and opted for a BQ Aquaris X5 Plus instead.

I recently bought a Swift 2+. I still like it. Hopefully, Zen can be disabled with the next update: https://www.reddit.com/r/wileyfox/comments/64xga8/it_should_...

Zen can already be disabled. Long-tap the launcher background, tap settings, and there should be a toggle labelled "Wileyfox Zen".

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Post by sudojudo »

tomc1985 wrote: post #238
derefr wrote: post #234

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Like I said, totally uninformed—but I can see the analogy to, say, driverless cars. I don't expect that, in the long term, people will really "own" driverless cars—they require too much dealer-side maintenance, and Bad Things can happen if the "owner" of a driverless car prevents a software update from happening (things that can take the car from road-legal to not, where the law would place the blame for that status…

It is my hope that there will be a contingent of people that can effectively resist, or maybe even destroy, this coming wave of rentals. If not, people will more often find themselves at the mercy of far more, and far larger, organizations that are not likely to care about them. You can see this already with Apple's App Store and the like

You guys have digressed a bit from the original topic, but I wanted to jump in and say that I agree with you, and so do a lot of other people.

I go to great lengths to keep Google and the like out of my life, and I find it really strange how accepting, and even defensive, people are with these intrusive services. It's a Brave New World, and Stallman was right.

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Post by ptaipale »

mmmBacon wrote: post #249

I was out riding motorcycles with a friend. He went down and was pretty broken up. As the ambulance loaded him up, I tried to use his Android phone to call his wife to let her know he had been hurt and what hospital he was being taken to. It was a stressful situation but I could not find the phone function at first easily (no idea which distribution). The phone function is still really important!

Over here (Finland, EU) there used to be standardisation that a mobile phone must be able to make an emergency call even when the phone is locked, and even when the phone's own carrier is out of coverage, or when there is no SIM card - the call must be routed as a guest in any GSM network that is there.

That may now have changed, because the user instructions for iPhone say (translation mine):

"iPhone can be used to make emergency calls in many locations, if mobile services are available, but you should not trust on it in cases of emergency".

Yes, apparently iPhone user instructions say that when you're in an emergency, don't count on iPhone. You should carry a phone with you in addition to iPhone.

When dialing 112, the phone goes to a special mode: the call is prioritised (if the cell is full, another call is dropped) and if carrier's network is not there, the phone tries any other network.

(I've seen this work on my phone, but that time it didn't help, the guy died.)

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