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Re: Amazon Echo Look

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Post by sdflkd »

mpfuture wrote: post #247

ITT fashion illiterate techies doubting the success of a pretty genius product (Almost) nobody cares about privacy. But (almost) everyone cares about how nice they look in public. And their Instagram. They are not like what I'm coming to realize the average HN user looks like or behaves. Use your imagination freely here... The main problem I see with this is the quality of recommendations. Amazon only carries certain…

> ITT fashion illiterate techies doubting the success of a pretty genius product

I love that caring how you look is just "narcissism" now. :)

The other problem I see w/ the ML is that, due to the nature of data sets, it's going to be mostly white people who benefit. Minorities famously do poorly.

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Post by Corrado »

diminoten wrote: post #242
toddmorey wrote: post #35

The HN reaction to this device is what I expected: we're somewhere between suspicious and terrified. I'll be really fascinated to know how the wider market reacts. I was one of those who believed consumers would look at the always-on living room microphone with suspicion. But I think the lesson was pretty clear that people will trade privacy for convenience. (Likely an overabundance of trust or a lack of understandin…

It's completely not for us ("us" here being people not super into fashion, since this isn't really a fashion website), I wouldn't think, which is why we look at it cockeyed.

Yes, I have a teenager at home that would probably enjoy sending pictures of outfits to friends to check out. There has even been talk of a outfit calendar so that the same one doesn't get worn in the same couple of days|weeks|months.

I would have absolutely zero use for such a thing, but HN is a pretty small community and there are a lot of people in the world.

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Post by CaptSpify »

ReverseCold wrote: post #226
toddmorey wrote: post #35

The HN reaction to this device is what I expected: we're somewhere between suspicious and terrified. I'll be really fascinated to know how the wider market reacts. I was one of those who believed consumers would look at the always-on living room microphone with suspicion. But I think the lesson was pretty clear that people will trade privacy for convenience. (Likely an overabundance of trust or a lack of understandin…

Amazon says that my echo isn't recording me, and I just have to trust it. People have confirmed this to be true. Google says that my phone isn't recording me, and I just have to trust it. People have confirmed this to be true. I don't see a difference.

> People have confirmed this to be true.

that's not something that can be proven true though.

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Post by CaptSpify »

CPLX wrote: post #249
toddmorey wrote: post #35

The HN reaction to this device is what I expected: we're somewhere between suspicious and terrified. I'll be really fascinated to know how the wider market reacts. I was one of those who believed consumers would look at the always-on living room microphone with suspicion. But I think the lesson was pretty clear that people will trade privacy for convenience. (Likely an overabundance of trust or a lack of understandin…

> But I think the lesson was pretty clear that people will trade privacy for convenience. (Likely an overabundance of trust or a lack of understanding of all the real implications and potential for exploit.) Or perhaps more accurately, most of the people in question are members of the mainstream dominant culture and don't really have much if anything in their life that they worry about someone else finding out about.…

But we don't treat people by average very well. We treat them bad if they have any kind of psychological issues. We treat them bad if they have weird sexual fetishes. We treat them bad if they have the wrong kind of friends.

Just because it's "average" doesn't mean it's safe to be public knowledge

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Post by return0 »

Blahah wrote: post #11

I'm not normally one to be creeped out by these kind of things. But this is a device that's designed to take photos and videos of you while you get dressed, and will be both connected to the internet and constantly communicating those images over the network. This feels like a device literature professors would use to teach dystopian fiction writing. edit: case in point - matthewmcg's comment https://news.ycombinator…

> this is a device that's designed to take photos and videos of you while you get dressed, and will be both connected to the internet and constantly communicating those images over the network.

So, like a smartphone?

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Post by return0 »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #7

> Style Check keeps your look on point using advanced machine learning algorithms and advice from fashion specialists. Submit two photos for a second opinion on which outfit looks best on you based on fit, color, styling, and current trends. Taking narcissism, insecurity, and invasion of privacy to the next level. Well done, Amazon! Now that we're replacing mirrors with cameras, what's next? Covering our windows with…

> Taking narcissism, insecurity, and invasion of privacy to the next level.

more like, being realistic about them.

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Post by pbarnes_1 »

mdpopescu wrote: post #254
jerf wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"(Likely an overabundance of trust or a lack of understanding of all the real implications and potential for exploit.)" I think that's a lot of it. People aren't trading privacy for convenience... people are taking convenience. It makes a lot more sense when you think of it that way. You can do an experiment yourself to show this; take 5 non-techie/non-HN people and explain to them exactly what this thing does and ho…

> building up a GoodThink/BadThink database Yep. I'm going to London on Friday. The Mayor of London just decided that anybody who posts stuff against muslims on social networks is guilty of a hate crime. I am thinking I won't get arrested when I arrive... but it's a possibility, and I definitely won't access twitter while I'm there.

1. No he didn't.

2. Just stay home.

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Post by Eridrus »

philsnow wrote: post #233
Blahah wrote: post #11

I'm not normally one to be creeped out by these kind of things. But this is a device that's designed to take photos and videos of you while you get dressed, and will be both connected to the internet and constantly communicating those images over the network. This feels like a device literature professors would use to teach dystopian fiction writing. edit: case in point - matthewmcg's comment https://news.ycombinator…

what's worse: that amazon thought that enough people wouldn't care about an always-on, always-connected camera watching them get dressed (and undressed) every day, to make it a viable product ? ... or that _they might be right_ ?

This is basically a Nest Dropcam, and people seem to like those.

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Post by Spivak »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #142
SippinLean wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caring that your clothes look good is narcissism (excessive interest in your appearance) now? Have you ever asked a friend if they like the suit you just bought? Do you go to work in a burlap sack? Knowingly and willingly sending people photos of yourself is an "invasion" of privacy?

> Caring that your clothes look good is narcissism (excessive interest in your appearance) now? As if caring is a binary thing and not a matter of degree? When you pay $200 to have "fashion experts" (or AI) judge your outfits on a daily basis, have you not crossed a line? > Knowingly and willingly sending people photos of yourself is an "invasion" of privacy? Yes, I'm sure this won't be used to collect all kinds of p…

I would pay well more than $200 to hire someone knowledgeable about fashion to design and help me buy a wardrobe. I don't think it's narcissistic at all to want to look nice.

You've never once asked one of your friends or spouse their to help you pick between two shirts?

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