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You weren't meant to have a boss

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Re: You weren't meant to have a boss

#281

Everything written in the article rings true. One effect he didn't mention is that the poisonous confidence-destruction and the lack of learning are self-reinforcing. It creates a cycle which discourages quitting. I think, though, that the effect only hits ambitious, independent people. Those with less ambition or less independence seem to enjoy themselves, and do well. (There are also a few ambitious, independent fo…

Regarding Ambitious, Independent people.

I tend to agree with you, but there's another class of people that doesn't fit your high ambition/low ambition paradigm.

I don't know how to label these people, and they confuse me greatly, because I'm not one of them and don't understand their motivations. These are people for whom ambitions and motivations are unrelated to "career choice"

I've met a great many people who work fairly-routine/moderate-pay/low-stress jobs, who have no desire to do work any more mentally taxing, and who profess to "live outside of work."

Now, some of these people are just not ambitious or independent. But some really seem to be extremely passionate, ambitious people. Some of these people are the "cause people" -- people that are heavily involved in political campaigns, in "causes," do large amounts of volunteering. They seem to derive their fulfillment from this work, and the paid job is a means to the freedom to pursue these causes.

Yet a different class of these people are the "family-focussed." They work, they may volunteer, but they appear to derive their fulfillment from... well, to be blunt, from raising kids and helping/coaxing/celebrating/watching their kids grow and succeed.

I'm not suggesting at all that these two other alternatives are in any way "lesser" (or "greater" for that matter) -- nor am I suggesting that other people aren't interested in, or don't do these things.

But, to generalize from just one example, (everyone does it -- or at least, I do...) though I don't do much in the way of volunteering or raising of a family just now, even if I do either of these at a future date, I don't think I would ever define myself by these things. I would identify and define myself more by the contributions I make in, for lack of a better name, the financial marketplace. Since this is a forum of "the startup crowd," I imagine that most of you define yourselves similarly?

Anyway, I went on so long, I forgot to make my point, which was that some of these people are perfectly happy in a job where they are not expected to be ambitious, so that they can save their energy and ambition for the part of their life that matters to them. I do not understand this, but I have recently come to notice its existence. I thought I'd point it out, since we're talking about ambition and lack thereof.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss

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post #17

I think that this analysis only focuses on one half of the forces that direct survival. Humans may work more efficiently as small groups, but we have also formed into large hierarchical structures for as long as we have had history. Egypt and Summaria were both hierarchically governed. Organizations survive by becoming more efficient, but they also survive by have more labor available. Napoleon would not have won a s…

Ah, but startup founders living in the US can still rely on the US Army to protect them from invasions.

You're already offtopic -- though I think not as offtopic as you might seem to be.

You are correct, which is one reason why the US has had such a prolific history. On the other hand, as the US government (and army) grow, we are now going in the opposite direction of lacking security from said army.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss

#283
Thanks for this Paul. I've spent time on both sides of the side spectrum in addition to my own failed startup (but I'm not beaten yet!) and what you say is at this point in my life glaringly obvious.

I'm making the jump this month from a (safe, established) monolith back to a (exciting, dynamic, risky) small company and hope to be back on my own startup path soon, and this post was a bit of inspiration precisely when I needed it.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss

#284

I work for a Large Auto Rental Company. We need some unbridled programmers. We have a HUGE IT dept, but I don't know what they do. "Managers" sit for hours transcribing data from one program in the computer into another. Hours, days, careers, lives wasted doing what a patch of VBA should be burping onto screens whenever desired. The veterans have never seen what a computer can do, THEY do it. They even use floppies t…

You don't need a cowboy programmer! You need to fire the IT boss. Also you should fire the big-boss because he hired and kept the one who was in charge of IT. The mediocrity comes ALWAYS from the top. Luckily for you the market in which you are is more juicy than your company can suck. So it survives even being inefficient!

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss

#286
Back in the 70’s I started a burglar alarm company - I had the knowledge and there was a need in my geographic area for another provider.

I’ve been self employed on and off ever since. At 63 I’m having trouble finding a new business to start, not because I lack the drive, or ability to start a company but in this location and economic times I’m having trouble finding a way to leverage my knowledge and abilities into a new endeavor.

I suspect that a lot of your programers just haven’t found their “big idea” yet. In computer related fields, the cost of entry is now so low that a huge percentage of programers have some idea they are playing with on the side. Like many actors, they will be overnight successes.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss

#287
Here is what Malcolm Gladwell wrote about just this topic in a 2002 New Yorker article: "Institutions are not just the best environment for success; they are also the safest environment for failure--and, much of the time, failure is what lies in store for innovators and visionaries. Philo Farnsworth should have gone to work for RCA. He would still have been the father of television, and he might have died a happy man."

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss

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post #289

I agree with your observations on the size of an ideal (human) group. So does Jesus.

I am curious to hear you relate this to Jesus. Please give me details.

If it wasn't implicit, I was just pointing out that he led a group of twelve (excluding himself of course), no more.
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