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As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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Our Internet is great . We're mostly fibre now and the cheapest plans are 20 up and 100 down.

And how cheap are the cheapest plans ? Also is an unlimited connection ? My understanding was that it costs ~100NZD to get a decent connection and I was very surprised to notice than in most hotels / airbnbs it was one of the first things advertised - free WiFi. With our French mobiles, which costs 20e/month, you have unlimited data while in France and 5Go per stay, up to 35 days in a year in many countries (all Euro…

NZD75 for 80GB fibre, NZD95 for unlimited.

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Houses in New Zealand are mad expensive. Auckland (for instance) now has an average house price over $1M, about $700k US. It is, I believe, the fourth least affordable housing market in the world after Hong Kong, Sydney and Vancouver.

Looks like the Auckland median price is NZ$890K, which is roughly US$623K. Here in Seattle, the median price just hit US$700K... Auckland doesn't sound so bad!

https://www.qv.co.nz/property-trends/residential-house-value...

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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Our Internet is great . We're mostly fibre now and the cheapest plans are 20 up and 100 down.

And how cheap are the cheapest plans ? Also is an unlimited connection ? My understanding was that it costs ~100NZD to get a decent connection and I was very surprised to notice than in most hotels / airbnbs it was one of the first things advertised - free WiFi. With our French mobiles, which costs 20e/month, you have unlimited data while in France and 5Go per stay, up to 35 days in a year in many countries (all Euro…

Mobile Data is still relatively expensive here, but you can get a unlimited 100mbit down/20mbit up fiber connection for ~80/month, and unlimited 1000mbit down/ 500mbit up connection for $130/month.

General browsing is often still a little slower than in the US though, because of the ~200ms latency to the US where most sites are hosted. International bandwidth is pretty good now though - I usually get 200mbit downloads from US servers.

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You can get the ~5 minutes from biking/hiking/outdoors and ~10 minutes to work in Silicon Valley. I used to live in Mountain View and bike into my job at Google; it took 12 minutes. 5 minute walk and I was on the trail; 15 minute bike ride and I could be at the bayshore; 20 minute drive and I'd be in the mountains; hour drive and I'd be at the beach. I work from home now, but those numbers would be the same from my c…

C'mon. Which exactly "trail" you mean? Trails around bay are not exactly same as other outdoor trails. Closest "real" hiking trails start along Skyline Boulevard - there's plenty of them but it is not close.

Stevens Creek Trail for the one that's 5 minutes away. You're right, it's basically a green belt, but it's awfully handy for biking to work or just getting out. You can walk all the way down to the Bay, and then on to Palo Alto Baylands, for a close to 10-mile round trip.

20 minute driving time includes Rancho San Antonio, Stevens Creek County Park, Villa Montalvo, and Lexington Reservoir, all of which are perfectly adequate half-day hikes. Make it 30-40 and you also get the Los Trancos/Montebello/Russian Ridge area, Castle Rock, Almaden, Calero, Garin/Dry Creek, and Don Edwards.

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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> I was regularly getting 50-100 down Which units of measurement? :)

Ha, so true - fortunately in this case it was mbps. People were talking about government plans for gigabit speeds, but then warned me not to hold me breath waiting.

Gigabit is available widely now, anywhere that has UFB Fiber (which is most likely what you were on if you were getting 50+ mbit).

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That's interesting ! I'm intending to make a move with my family in near future, and we actually went to visit the northern island for 15 days last month. The country is really beautiful, and there are not a lot of people around, so you can't help but feel blessed by the surrounding nature. The people are great, probably the nicest I've ever seen (as a whole). I've noted some cons though (not blocking for us thankful…

>- housing prices are extremely high. I don't understand that, there is plenty of space everywhere (maybe except Wellington) and somehow they manage to not use this advantage...

Housing prices aren't that high outside of Auckland. Auckland housing prices are high for all the reasons you can think of: no capital gains tax, tax incentives to own property, no restrictions on foreign ownership (not even a register of foreign ownership!), very liberal immigration laws, and lots of NIMBYism about increasing housing density.

Almost all immigrants go to Auckland and stay in Auckland, because they see it as where most of the jobs are (and that's true, but only because of what I just said: it's a self-fulfilling prophecy).

>- housing quality is really poor (comparing to Europe)

Older houses are definitely poor. Newer houses certainly aren't. New Zealand houses are built in a different style to those in the UK, or Europe, or the US: they're open-plan, they're built using timber framing, etc. Until a couple of decades ago, double-glazed windows and full insulation weren't mandatory.

>- prices are generally quite high

They are and they aren't. They probably seem higher than they really are because of the exchange rates. A lot of retailers sell imported stuff for way more than they should, because exchange rate has moved in our favour compared to the US in recent years but they haven't adjusted their prices.

Steam games are ridiculously cheap compared to games from a retailer for example.

>- internet connectivity feels like we're 10 years back

Um, no, really it does not. Internet connectivity in NZ is excellent. We have fibre-to-the-door everywhere, or at least will do when the rollout finishes in two years.

>- outside of Wellington and Auckland, I didn't feel like there were any interesting opportunities in IT (that's a subjective and based on a very limited evidence from discussions with local / personal observations)

There are probably more IT jobs in Christchurch than Wellington, honestly. New Zealand is a small country, there aren't going to be a lot of jobs when you discount the three biggest cities, obviously.

>- food quality is good, but eating habits don't seem to follow. Obesity seems to be a huge problem there (we have kids so will need to pay double attention to that). We were pretty much shocked because we naively thought that in such a beautiful and clean country everybody is running / biking all the time.

This is going to be controversial, but I'm going to say it anyway. Obesity is much less a problem if you are white and wealthy. Obesity is a problem in New Zealand if you look at the aggregate statistics for everyone, but that problem is concentrated very highly in poor communities, and mainly poor Maori and Pacific communities. I think that contrasts rather from the US. When I went to the US I noticed that everyone seemed huge. Average-looking people for the population would be considered rather chunky in NZ, and the fat people were enormous. Of course there were people that would be considered normal/healthy in NZ, but they were much less common.

But yes, obesity is a problem, from a government/health-services/etc. perspective. But there isn't some magical chemical in the air that makes everyone fat, and if you are in IT your kids will likely go to a school full of other upper-middle-class kids (which unfortunately translates to the demographics being rather a lot.. lighter), and obesity will be low there.

There is a big push from Government, as they are rebuilding Christchurch, to encourage walking and biking in the city over driving. For environmental reasons, for shop foot traffic reasons, for health reasons, etc.

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If you end up in Auckland, Wellington or Christchurch you could be just in another big city anywhere in the world, you may be within an hour or twos drive of some of the above descriptors but you wont be looking out of your home or office window at them unless you can drop a million dollars on a house. Get real guys.

Here's a photo of Wellington I took while commuting to work on my mountain bike. Trail head is 2mins from my office... https://goo.gl/photos/9AQWmraCss6U9uVp7 If you're in into biking, or windsurfing Wellington is definitely a stunning place to live. [edit] Also since everybody is talking about emus, this trail is actually called barking emu. But it is misnamed - since it's actually an Ostrich in the paddock up there…

Ostriches... is that up by that bizarre castle house that's been turned into a dog kennel?

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What are the internet throughput and latencies for typical setups in residential locations in New Zealand? What about more expensive commercial setups?

If you find somewhere with UFB access (you can check the maps here: http://ufb.org.nz/maps/ ) then you'll be able to get up to 1000mbit down/500mbit up with a choice from 10+ ISPs. UFB is available in most of the main centers now, though there are still frustrating gaps in coverage, and then you'll be on some variant of ADSL. There is talk of upgrading the UFB technology from connections from the current 2.5Gbit GPON to 10G-PON also, so they'll be able to offer even faster connections.

Latency and international bandwidth can be bigger issues, US is between 150-250ms, Australia 60-120ms, UK ~300ms. It actually has a pretty significant impact on how 'snappy' browsing feels - Facebook, HN etc feel faster in the US even on a slower connection.

Server-grade/Datacenter transit is very expensive here, especially for international bandwidth. Many of the hosting/VPS companies here (like sitehost.co.nz ) have unlimited national bandwidth and then very small international caps.

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Houses in New Zealand are mad expensive. Auckland (for instance) now has an average house price over $1M, about $700k US. It is, I believe, the fourth least affordable housing market in the world after Hong Kong, Sydney and Vancouver.

Looks like the Auckland median price is NZ$890K, which is roughly US$623K. Here in Seattle, the median price just hit US$700K... Auckland doesn't sound so bad!

What's the salary of a senior dev in seattle? How much do electronics, appliances, cars and food cost?

Will that 700k USD house have wall insulation and double glazed windows and central heating?

I think there's a reason a huge chunk of skilled New Zealanders end up leaving.

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> For all sorts of reasons, New Zealand suddenly makes sense. The cost of living is less than in San Francisco. Commuting is less wearying. And American politics, “Brexit” and the Islamic State are on the other side of the world. For the most part, this is all true in, say, Tulsa. Especially if you stay off Facebook. You especially don't have to go to New Zealand to find a cheaper, commuter-friendly place to work. No…

It's more liberal and has better social services and you get health care in NZ. Plus amazing outdoor activities.

It's more liberal

For me that's a huge downside. The leftism here is stifling.

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