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United removes first-class passenger to make room for 'higher-priority' traveler

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Re: United removes first-class passenger to make room for 'higher-priority' traveler

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Comment might be buried... But, the problem is the baroque overlaid combinations of [seat class, fare class, FF status, standby, cash vs FF purchase, time of arrival at gate, etc.] intersecting with [connecting flts, equipment, weather, etc.] leads to a large range of predictable conditions with uncertain outcomes. E.g. only one seat remaining, who gets it: passenger needing to make intl connection on a FF ticket or…

The other issue is to stop overbooking every single flight and allow some slack to handle these unexpected situations that inevitably come up.

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Asia hasn't discovered, or have the need for, the security theater jobs program.

Seriously, instead of a New Deal with public infrastructure projects, we're spending to create make work jobs with the TSA.

Not only that, the security lines are now a security issue.

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User surly UX. Was going to book an impromptu multi-legged trip between San Francisco, Iowa and Arizona.

American Airlines quoted a price, but the only available seats cost (around) $33 - $58 extra for each flight -- total was $200 extra. Bait and switch? So, I switched to Delta.

But Delta's antique web design wouldn't allow a change. So, I attempted to talk to a Human. Voice menu was a bit schizoid: transitioning from voice to a touch-only menu. Love the response: "your selection was invalid" Who designs these things? A Lost in Space fan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU

Then I get to the part where it says: "You may choose to have us call you back ... or stay on hold ... wait time is over 3 hours". So, I cancelled.

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Given that we have likely hit peak demand for fossil fuel (the theory being that the demand for fossil fuel has peaked before we have reached peak supply), this is unlikely. Oil prices are unlikely to ever reach the highs of $100+ ever again. Or so goes the theory.. In short, flight prices are unlikely to be severely effected by oil prices again.

> Oil prices are unlikely to ever reach the highs of $100+ ever again. Since the oil price crash, investment in exploration has gone down dramatically, so I would argue the contrary. When the current supplies start to dwindle, I would not be surprised to see oil prices strike $200 or more a barrel. The oil crash removed the cost of exploration from oil prices, so current prices are no longer a indication of probable…

> Since the oil price crash, investment in exploration has gone down dramatically, so I would argue the contrary.

I keep http://oilprice.com/ in my RSS feed to keep tabs on the subject. It looks like the shale exploration is kicking up again (from the site and from friends working in the western part of ND).

and this helps http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Why-Breakeven-Prices-A...

Re: United removes first-class passenger to make room for 'higher-priority' traveler

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So two days ago my 2-month old Dell UltraSharp monitor broke with flickering and some cosmetic damage. I reached out to Amazon rep because I bought from there. The repr and I spoke and did some testing. Eventually he said he would help me make an exception by sending me a replacement without any fees, a pre-paid return label, and do a two-day guarantee shipment, despite the return window has already passed (it was April 6th, last week).

I got my new monitor today, and I am happy.

The repr said because of my purchase history. I am a good customer to them, someone who have bought probably couple thousand dollars worth of goods from Amazon over the years.

AWS itself also offered to eliminate all of the charges on my account after a huge spike on billing (which is believed to be the results of network attacks) under no questions.

This is how you build a $300B company. You take constant short-term losses over long-term gains.

United Airline has a long fucking way to learn how to treat its customers. If customer B's flight had a mechanical failure, should do this:

UA: "Sorry, we have a mechanical problem, do you wish to take the next flight? We will offer you a voucher."

B: "No. I need to get there on time."

UA: "Do you wish to take an economy seat? Our first-class is full."

B: "No. I am a priority seating customer." (UA: "I understand. We will ask if anyone on the current flight is willing to give up."

UA: "HEY PEOPLE ANYONE WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR SEAT FOR X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND INCENTIVES?"

UA: "Okay no one. Increasing. We still have a few minutes left to auction a seat for an economy seat swap."

UA: "Sorry Sir / Madam. No one is willing and the flight is destined to leave now, so we can't hold up the 365 passengers onboard. We are sorry for your inconvenience, we will see if other airlines have seats available and we can help arrange a flight for you based on your continued support of United Airlines."

Now either B take it or leave it. Done. One airplane's delay is a delay for other 100 flights waiting to leave the airport on time.

Win 100 customers over 1 customer.

This is grade-school manner, fucking grade-school manner. Change your policy now if you are so serious about good customer service and fear of law suits.

Actually now I come to think of it, airlines should build an auction/seat auction app.

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I'm appalled by how this frontal assault on human dignity is shielded by law. What many of us learned this week is that it seems to be perfectly legal to bump off poorer or less privileged people specifically from a plane. This is boat allocation on Titanic all over again.

No, it's not legal. Edit: See lawyer quote from tiatia.

I'm getting tired of people claiming that United can't break their own contracts legally. Of course they can, and no it's not "illegal". Why is that the bar everyone look to for whether or not they should be doing something?

If you believe what United did in this case or the case of the doctor being dragged out is illegal, please continue to pay close attention to what happens in the latter case, as I'm sure it will continue to be reported on for at least the foreseeable future.

Specifically, notice the distinct lack of criminal charges.

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Comment might be buried... But, the problem is the baroque overlaid combinations of [seat class, fare class, FF status, standby, cash vs FF purchase, time of arrival at gate, etc.] intersecting with [connecting flts, equipment, weather, etc.] leads to a large range of predictable conditions with uncertain outcomes. E.g. only one seat remaining, who gets it: passenger needing to make intl connection on a FF ticket or…

The other issue is to stop overbooking every single flight and allow some slack to handle these unexpected situations that inevitably come up.

Which means increased costs, especially since every other airline is also overbooking flights. Free-market is an asshole in this case: gotta overbook to compete.

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Attitude isn't criminal.

Maybe not, but with cops it's stupid. And it can get you dead, if things go very wrong. Extreme politeness is the best course, in my experience.

That's an understandable survival strategy, but it's also a gross injustice which should be fixed.

Again I'll offer the example of Germany: cops are basically all armed, but they're very slow to pull out their gun. Even if you run at them with a knife, they'll aim for your legs. Saves a lot of lives, with just training and culture.

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er, they're getting skewered in the media. United is paying the price for their mistake. If they're regulated, next time they drag someone off a plane, they'll say "We were just following the handbook and were in accordance with federal regulations. Take it up with the FAA" So no, no need to regulate the industry. Also, the body you want to regulate them (the government) routinely does much, much worse to people.[0]…

Arguably, while it was United's policies that got the police involved, it was the police that did the bloodying. It's a prime example of government abuse of physical and legal power, and Chicago is apparently reviewing the whole situation to verify the officers acted in accordance with policy. I agree; hard to see precisely how more government intervention should have been expected to fix this.

Clear regulation stating that a passenger may not be forced to leave for any but safety reasons once they're seated, rather than leaving it up to a contract, and providing sufficient funding to whichever organization enforces that regulation?

One of the more promising candidates for the cause of such great expense for various services and projects in the US versus other (generally more-regulation-heavy and more-worker-friendly) OECD states, as recently discussed on here (following a Slate Star Codex post on the topic) is the risk/expense of relying so heavily on contracts and lawsuits to sort out this kind of stuff on a case-by-case basis rather than simply stating that things will be a certain way through regulation, removing (or at least greatly reducing) the uncertainty.

Re: United removes first-class passenger to make room for 'higher-priority' traveler

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These things don't matter and the airlines know it. People will continue to fly. I guarantee that a year from now if United is the most convenient flight to a place that guy needs to go, he will fly United.

We simply aren't in the "free market competition" will fix it zone with air travel. I hate air travel and do everything I can to avoid it for work. Most people think I'm crazy. Why wouldn't you jump at the chance to fly to an obscure town in India on the company dime!?!?!?

So do not expect this to affect anything unless the government gets involved

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