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Tim Berners-Lee wins Turing Award

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Re: Tim Berners-Lee wins Turing Award

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Post by sametmax »

jacquesm wrote: post #210
syshum wrote: post #198

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>>Content owners have - in principle, legally backed - the right to distribute their content in any way they see fit, and content consumers have the option to refuse that content if the format it is presented in is un-acceptable to them, this is a consensual producer-consumer relationship. you are giving content "owners" (and I use that term losely, because legally they are Copyright Holders not owners, copyright is…

Don't buy blueray discs and don't use Midori, don't use any content at all that is DRM encumbered. Yes, that will limit your choice but so what, if enough people do it the coin will drop. That's my solution to this whole DRM issue and I've yet to find a 'must-see' thing that was DRM encumbered. Copyright law gives rights-holders all kinds of options, and digital tools have given them options to make it harder to do s…

You can also stop driving if you support the environment and stop buying phones if you care about child slavery and stop using electricity if you don't want nuclear wastes.

Personally I stopped eating meat, and just this is quite a cost in additional constraints in your life, because society is designed in a way and doing something different requires extra efforts.

Yes, boycotting something you don't want is a good move, but if you apply it to all things you want to protest against you will no longer be part of society.

So you can't only rely on that. It can't be the only answer. We need to take stand to also refuse those bad moves, especially before they happen.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee wins Turing Award

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Post by sametmax »

jacquesm wrote: post #127
sametmax wrote: post #90

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While I agree with your conclusions, I nevertheless don't think we should endorse a bad status quo. When Firefox came around (as Phoenix), it didn't endorse ActiveX, making a lot of sites unusable. It chose fair standards. What would have happened if they decided that they were too small and that Microsoft was so big that ActiveX would be inevitable anyway ? Note that eventually the DRM won't affect me. I'm tech saav…

Have a read: https://arstechnica.com/business/2017/03/drm-in-html5-is-a-v... See if that changes your mind.

The whole rational behind abandoning the web is a scarecrow. Like saying rich companies are going to abandon a market if we don't do them a favor.

As long as there is a market, they will come.

The web is too big of a pie to let it go.

But even if they decided to go, it wouldn't be a bad thing. Proprietary things on proprietary platforms, and less people trying to destroy the open platform. I'm all for that.

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Post by OJFord »

pseudalopex wrote: post #261
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That's not the case though, just as, more obviously, 'Mrs' isn't limited in meaning to 'this is a female adult'. Increasingly and to the point of arguable totality, such titles are bestowed by popularity, committee, and HM Government. Damned shame, since it would mean more what it should were it not given to celebrity riff-raff for 'services to sport'. I digress. You say it's fine as a non-'UK royalist' to use an imp…

Does local custom work both ways? I think most Americans would consider "Mister" perfectly courteous.

I'm not sure what you mean by working both ways, I'm saying as the speaker one respects the subject's title, even if not 'recognised' natively.

For example, I'm not Catholic, but I would of course refer to Pope Francis; not 'Mr Francis', or anything involving his birth (as opposed to regnal) name.

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Post by madiathomas »

Rexxar wrote: post #185
madiathomas wrote: post #14

This goes to show how hard winning Turing award is. One would have expected someone who invented the most useful invention of the 20th century to have won this award long time ago. Maybe I am just overvaluing www because of the impact it had on people's lives. EDITED: 20th century, not 19th.

Transistors are much more important IMHO.

Inventors of transistor, led by William Shockley, already won a Nobel prize in Pysics for their invention of transistor. All 3 of them.

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Post by seejay »

aryehof wrote: post #278
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Haha first of all. Let me apologize to you. And I truly admire how you took it very lightly as oppose to the reactions I got from some police officers (Not the nice human beings who kindly explained things) here in HN. And I think I owe you an explanation of what happened. 1) I read your super awesome story. ( nerdgasm ). 2) Upvotes instantly but fuck this is some really good storytelling so just adding an upvote wit…

Your English comes across as over the top to me, and my children don't appreciate you using swear words. Calm down.

Please send my sincere apologies to your children.

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Post by inopinatus »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #267
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By sharing hosting with someone with a bad reputation, and then deliberately working around their controls, I have no surprise whatsoever that they drop your email. That is not behaving like a first-class citizen, that is behaving like an underhanded reprobate. Sorry to say that your anecdote is an illustration of "how not to do it". You have to accept and work with changing expectations. If you are unable to relocat…

Using there own service within their terms and conditions is being "an underhand reprobate". They could just obey their own customers white-listing, or over-ride blacklisting for domains that act appropriately. So you really think that having a domain of 10+ years standing that doesn't send unsolicited emails at all is "not behaving like a first class citizen"? If someone in your ISPs /26 sends spam from a different…

I think you have numerous misconceptions here. You can't pay directly for status. Longevity without change doesn't entitle you to anything. Ten years is not great longevity; try doubling that. Microsoft doesn't not believe you are a "massive spammer"; they are just playing the percentages based on your choice of associations and your choice to abuse their service. Finally, you seem to think you have a contractual relationship with Microsoft that obliges them to accept your email on the basis of "Terms and Conditions" which, if I'm not much mistaken from what you've described, don't apply to your relationship with them.

Your expectations don't match reality and you seem to prefer complaining to change.

I have basically no sympathy at all, I'm afraid. It is your fault, not for "replying to emails" but by failure to update infrastructure as the context changes. This is your problem to fix, and it appears you've made poor choices in that direction based on a misattributed sense of entitlement.

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Post by etandel »

"I’m humbled to receive the namesake award of a computing pioneer who showed that what a programmer could do with a computer is limited only by the programmer themselves"

That's like the exact opposite of what Turing proved, with the halting problem and all.

I'm any case, a well deserved award!

Re: Tim Berners-Lee wins Turing Award

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Post by etandel »

"I’m humbled to receive the namesake award of a computing pioneer who showed that what a programmer could do with a computer is limited only by the programmer themselves"

That's like the exact opposite of what Turing proved, with the halting problem and all.

I'm any case, a well deserved award!

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Post by wallace_f »

TheGrassyKnoll wrote: post #239
doomlaser wrote: post #148

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That's a great read. I didn't realize Bill Atkinson's HyperCard preceded Tim Berners-Lee's proposal by a few years, or that Berners-Lee had referenced HyperCard directly in it. The applications of hypermedia were clearly in the ether in thay era, but that document certainly pulls a lot of the threads together.

Wow, I'd never heard of it. Those old Apples had some cool shit I missed out on. "HyperCard was created by Bill Atkinson following an lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) trip." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard

Jobs criticized Gates saying he'd be a better product designer had he spent more time exploring individual pursuits such as what Jobs did--spirituality and psychedelics.
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