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Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by newsat13 »

the_common_man wrote: post #124
shmerl wrote: post #35

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Not just failed. Google betrayed XMPP. You can blame Eric Schmidt for it. He gave some lame speech about how other instant messaging services aren't playing fair, so Google should also become a walled garden. And that was it. They made Hangouts and stopped caring about federated IM idea. It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. Imagine someone like Eric Schmidt driving it. We'd be stuck with incompatib…

They have already mail email incompatible. They haven't changed protocol but best of luck if you run your own email server.

I got good mileage with the mail server on cloudron. Also, mail-tester.com is awesome to check spammyness.

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Post by skissane »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #123
shmerl wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just failed. Google betrayed XMPP. You can blame Eric Schmidt for it. He gave some lame speech about how other instant messaging services aren't playing fair, so Google should also become a walled garden. And that was it. They made Hangouts and stopped caring about federated IM idea. It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. Imagine someone like Eric Schmidt driving it. We'd be stuck with incompatib…

Perhaps this is the point we need legislation to require that IM services with above X users in the relevant jurisdiction must provide a full, open, protocol and enable interoperation via the published protocol? That's the only way I see the companies involved would move to enable cross-platform communications? Aside: >It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. I have a shared account on a small ISP, Mic…

I have been helping out a charity that uses a small web hosting company for email.

Any emails they send to Gmail automatically go into the spam folder.

Why? I reckon it is because there is no SPF configured, no DKIM configured, etc.

We could try to get that small web hosting company to configure all that.

Instead, the plan is to move to G Suite for Nonprofits.

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Post by WorldMaker »

pvg wrote: post #175
scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. By the time google talk came around, third party clients were easily connecting to all the other major IM services. I don't think the open protocol made any difference to its popularity.

Talk didn't have its own client outside of the Gmail panel when it launched. It would have been much harder for Google to bootstrap at the time, if they hadn't been able to just point people to existing clients that supported XMPP. Third party clients made Talk useful faster (thus popularizing it). Sure, several of the third party clients were pretty good at reverse engineering weird protocols while also supporting open ones, but there's no guarantee they would have bothered with Talk, especially if Talk existed only in a web browser.

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Post by beagle3 »

shmerl wrote: post #245
kyrra wrote: post #229

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Why Google felt betrayed by Microsoft: Larry Page commenting about it at I/O 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pmPa_KxsAM&t=2h54m20s Strategist commenting about it: http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-strategie... Microsoft's one-way integration was them not exposing presence and typing notifications to services they federated with (but they were "taking" that data from others).

Larry Page says there he would like to see more open standards used, and he is sad the industry isn't moving in that direction. So why isn't any of their new IM technology an open standard?

Because their old one was an open standard, and they were effectively the only one open one (and the last open one standing). So I find it totally reasonable that they stopped caring about it (and probably would again if another major player did).

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

ereyes01 wrote: post #199

Boy, do I regret giving so many people my GV number and using it as a main phone number... They are also removing Hangouts' SMS integration, BUT: > Note: This change does not impact Google Voice users who may continue to use Hangouts for their Google Voice SMS. That doesn't really make me feel great, it's only a matter of time before it changes again, and I'm quite sure the experience of staying in Hangouts will be a…

There is the Google Voice app.

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Post by Declanomous »

ereyes01 wrote: post #199

Boy, do I regret giving so many people my GV number and using it as a main phone number... They are also removing Hangouts' SMS integration, BUT: > Note: This change does not impact Google Voice users who may continue to use Hangouts for their Google Voice SMS. That doesn't really make me feel great, it's only a matter of time before it changes again, and I'm quite sure the experience of staying in Hangouts will be a…

I'm thinking about porting my GV number away from Google, if that is even possible. Voice used to be the best thing ever, but now it has a shadow of it's original functionality.

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Post by icebraining »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #266
icebraining wrote: post #259

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And the result is OOXML, which is well known for being a trainwreck and which nobody - including Microsoft - has been able to implement properly, despite being an "open standard".

"And the result is OOXML" The result of open-sourcing all data formats and protocols would obviously be all the data formats and protocols released as open-source. OOXML is not the only one in existence.

My point is that companies forced to do this would create abstruse formats, and then even misimplement them, to thwart those trying to interoperate.

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Post by mkhpalm »

jdoliner wrote: post #78
eachro wrote: post #60

At this point I have no idea which Google chat client is which. A few years ago I remember having Google Talk on my android phone. Then after some random update the application disappeared from my phone and was replaced with hangouts. Now is Google Talk the same as GChat? Was Hangouts anything more than just a new branding for Google Talk? I have no idea. And what's up with this Google Allo thing? Again, it seems lik…

I'd say google has entered into a post modern era of chat. I don't think there's anything they could announce that would actually mean something to the generally public, there's too many overlapping brands with overlapping functionality.

I mostly agree, but there is one thing that end-users are dying for. Truly federated chat services and open standards. Its the only thing that anybody could do differently to really stand out above the rest.

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Post by notatoad »

plg wrote: post #122

I'm really not being a troll here, I'm just confused: Google Talk : what is that? Is that the little box on the left hand side of the page on gmail that lets you chat with other gmail users? Google Hangouts : different? I know it's videochat but it also has text ... a different thing? The Android/Google phone chat app thingy --- is this different still? obviously I'm not a regular google user at least not of these se…

I'm confused too. Wasn't Hangouts initially billed as a replacement to Google Talk? I remember my Google Talk chrome extension being replaced automatically by a hangouts extension one day.

I thought they discontinued Talk years ago.

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