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Re: A profound apology

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Why should he have to apologise for this? This is normal 'robust' conversation between an employer and an employee who have a disagreement. The driver is apparently bankrupt (well done), so I would not be at all surprised if he deliberately tried to bait Travis into this conversation so he'd have a story to sell. At the end of the Bloomberg article where this surfaced, they noted that the driver got 1 Star for that r…

Actually the driver rated Kalanick 1 star: > Later, the Uber driver app prompts him to rate Kalanick, as he does all his riders. Kamel gives him one star.

It wasn't a meaningful encounter.

Re: A profound apology

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Reading the conversation they had in the thread here it seemed 50/50 to me. Watching the video completely changed my mind so if you're ITT and making a judgement based on a transcript take a look at the video. The driver is pretty calm and then seems to touch a nerve with Kalanick who gets loud and rude. Also as they're talking over each the transcripts here aren't accurate. The driver is actually quoting figures, not just complaining without evidence.

I wish Lyft would expand out of the US. If they did, they'd have my business immediately. As for Uber, with everything over the last few weeks they've lost it.

Re: A profound apology

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Reading the conversation they had in the thread here it seemed 50/50 to me. Watching the video completely changed my mind so if you're ITT and making a judgement based on a transcript take a look at the video. The driver is pretty calm and then seems to touch a nerve with Kalanick who gets loud and rude. Also as they're talking over each the transcripts here aren't accurate. The driver is actually quoting figures, not just complaining without evidence.

I wish Lyft would expand out of the US. If they did, they'd have my business immediately. As for Uber, with everything over the last few weeks they've lost it.

Re: A profound apology

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Honestly, most of the conversation is a lot more genuine than most interactions as seen on the internet. Most execs would have shut up and avoided any discussion. I am not saying that I agree with everything, but of all the Uber news, this is the least worrying.

I'm rarely one to defend Uber, but I agree. I didn't see the big deal. He was a little rude, callous, and aloof. Not great, but meh.

>> He was a little rude, callous, and aloof.

This is the big deal. It's solidifying the picture that's been built of him over the last few weeks.

Re: A profound apology

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This doesn't excuse the way he talked to the driver either way, but who was factually correct in the conversation? http://www.recode.net/2017/2/28/14766964/video-uber-travis-k... >Kamel: “But people are not trusting you anymore. Do you think people will buy cars anymore? ... I lost $97,000 because of you. I'm bankrupt because of you. You keep changing every day. You keep changing every day.” >Kalanick: “Hold on a sec…

The Bloomberg article notes the decreased rates: > In 2012, Uber Black cost riders $4.90 per mile or $1.25 per minute in San Francisco, according to an old version of Uber's website. Today, Uber charges $3.75 per mile and $0.65 per minute.

The driver noted the mile price change in the video (although he may have been off with the figure). People posting 'transcripts' here seem to have conveniently left that out.

Re: A profound apology

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Here's the conversation that took place: Travis: So we are reducing the number of black cars in the next few months. Fawzi: It’s good. Travis: You probably saw some email. Fawzi: I saw the email [that says] it starts in May. But you’re raising the standards and dropping the prices. Travis: We’re not dropping the prices on Black. Fawzi: But in general. Travis: In general, but we have competitors. Otherwise we’d be out…

This comment on reddit explains it well /r/cars/comments/5wrdk2/comment/decxcxi

I wonder why this is getting downvotes. There is a lot of insight about the situation in the linked comment.

Re: A profound apology

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This comment on reddit explains it well /r/cars/comments/5wrdk2/comment/decxcxi

I wonder why this is getting downvotes. There is a lot of insight about the situation in the linked comment.

Except it's not linked. It's an unclickable relative URL.

Also, if I wanted to read about this on Reddit, I'd be over on Reddit. I'm here because I want to read the comments from HN users.

Re: A profound apology

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Classic mistake. Never apologize to SJWs. This guy needs to learn from Trump. Nothing, absolutely nothing will appease these concerned trolls, nothing. Just ignore SJWs in general and in HN is a good idea.

Re: A profound apology

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Brother J?

Jesus Christ[0]? I hate to digress from this topic, so I won't in depth, but this whole "good tree, bad tree" philosophy is central to protestant theology and has had an impact on Western culture, while it is often not true, in my opinion. Another variant is the "bitter water, sweet water" parable from Jude. [0] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A15-...

> ...is central to protestant theology...

tl;dr: Using the "good fruit" passage to condemn people as "bad people" is bad reading comprehension.

Those words were said by Jesus, so it's impossible to ignore, but it's also commonly misinterpreted.

In the place you cited, it's clearly talking about "false prophets", or people who incorrectly claim to speak God's truth. They look like spiritual people (Christians, even), but you can tell they're rotten by the "fruit" of their lives. And (continuing on to verse 20) some "Christian leaders" do not follow Christ and will absolutely be rejected by Jesus on their judgement day. That passage Jude is also about determining if someone follows Christ earnestly more than deciding they're hell-bound or something.

Also, if we back up in that chapter in Matthew a bit (1), we'll see Jesus clearly say you'll be judged by the yardstick we apply to others. If we condemn assholes, we'll be condemned as assholes. Which of us isn't an asshole sometimes?

That's not giving assholery a pass, though. It's just if we're really concerned about improving the world and fixing the behavior of others, we should address ourselves first so that we won't be ineffective in the task.

Anyway, I agree that the "know them by their fruit" passage is misapplied to judge someone as a rotten person. A rotten spiritual leader? Sure. But not deciding that someone hopeless case. You'll have to find another source of authority if you want to claim that.

(1) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A1-5...

Re: A profound apology

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Something that struck me is: almost half of the country would disagree with you (the more conservative half). A lot of the American public believes what Kalanick said to be very true when it comes to low-ish income people complaining about what wealthier people do to them.

And yet many in that same half have no problem scapegoating Latinos, blacks, Muslims, liberals, China, or pretty much anyone that's not themselves.

...and the "other half" (as if there are only two perspectives) scapegoat just as handily: corporations, racist people, sexist people, homophobic people, Russian hackers, Fox News, the bourgeois, disloyal white women, people who "vote against their interests", patriotic people, spiritual people, uneducated people, cherry-picked structural injustice, and pretty much anything that doesn't support their preconceived notions of the world.

I'm frankly tired of people seeing problems and immediately outgrouping others, attaching blame, and spewing hate. This will continue to be a disease in our culture until people can learn to understand and disagree and live and let live.

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