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I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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What's your deep suspicion based on? Certainly not medical research.

Visiting Vancouver

deep suspicion based on anecdotal data. sounds legit. i think this is a perfectly reasonable basis to violate individual liberty and utilize coercive methods to punish "undesirable behavior".

what happens when you become the target? what if society decides that your behavior is undesirable?

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No, more like: Spend all defense budgets around the world on programs that reduce poverty, increase health and functioning governments.

I don't see that happening. Because someone is going to want to keep their guns, just in case.

Yes. They also want to keep the smallpox, just in case. We could have banished it from the planet entirely but we're keeping some samples of it, just in case.

It's absurd. The absurd part being, if you told me we actually got rid of it, I wouldn't believe it either. So maybe better keep some, just in case. So understandable and so stupid at the same time--absurdity.

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The United States always needs an enemy. Hitler, communism, Russia, Viet Cong, acid rain, drugs, them... The war on drugs might subside because of the perfect enemy they have now: terrorists. A faceless, ever-present threat that can keep the war drums beating. What I'd like to see is the military-industrial complex shift their battle to a War on Extinction: space exploration.

Terrorists are an existential threat, but our society doesn't have just one bogeyman: they are around every corner to scare us into doing things we wouldn't normally do. Remember, the terrorists manufacture drugs to sell to us and if you buy drugs you are supporting terrorism. That said, I think it might subside for different reasons. The demographics of drug addiction are changing. Addictive drug use went from being…

> Remember, the terrorists manufacture drugs to sell to us and if you buy drugs you are supporting terrorism.

You're being sarcastic, right?

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I've been physically addicted to alcohol and opiates, and also a long term daily marijuana user (currently over a year of sobriety from all drugs). THC has no physical withdrawal symptoms.

And I've been drinking alcohol every weekend the last 15 years. Your alcoholism is a myth because otherwise I would need alcohol right now. It doesn't really work that way.

I was drinking at least a fifth (750ml) of 40% abv spirits every day, doing at least 250mg+ oxy or equivalent in heroin, or smoking a gram or more of weed a day. Alcohol and opiates are physically addictive with very real withdrawal symptoms. Falling asleep was somewhat difficult for a couple days when I ran out of weed. Marijuana is not physically addictive.

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Really? I have a very deep suspicion that drugs destroy society by making a majority of people lethargic and unmotivated to do anything in real life. A case could be made for exceptions here and there (like the child in this article) but I don't think it works so well in society.

By your logic, the states that have legalized recreational marijuana should all be failing right now. Oh and if you were specifically talking about all drugs, Portugal decriminalized possession in 2001 and it was a staggering success. ( https://www.thefix.com/content/decrim-nation-portugal-ten-ye... )

Well, Vancouver is failing. It's a sample of one, but it's something I saw with my own eyes.

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You want your own personal desires (vice?) to trump what's beneficial or destructive to society as a whole.

[citation needed] you are positing something that you have no proof of. what we do know is that the war on drugs is damaging to society. we also know that decriminalization worked for Portugal. where is your proof? i want to be free. i don't want you or anyone else to have the power to dictate my (or anyone's) behavior.

I think your attitude is rather childish.

Your assumptions are not knowledge. Also, your concept of freedom seems rather misplaced. Everyone already does dictate your behavior. If you think otherwise, you are not thinking hard enough.

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Visiting Vancouver

deep suspicion based on anecdotal data. sounds legit. i think this is a perfectly reasonable basis to violate individual liberty and utilize coercive methods to punish "undesirable behavior". what happens when you become the target? what if society decides that your behavior is undesirable?

When society deems your behavior undesirable, you become a social outcast and live a miserable life. No one would hire you. No one would want to be your friend.

It's not just anecdotal evidence, but also a basic understanding of human psychology and how drugs and addiction influences people.

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deep suspicion based on anecdotal data. sounds legit. i think this is a perfectly reasonable basis to violate individual liberty and utilize coercive methods to punish "undesirable behavior". what happens when you become the target? what if society decides that your behavior is undesirable?

When society deems your behavior undesirable, you become a social outcast and live a miserable life. No one would hire you. No one would want to be your friend. It's not just anecdotal evidence, but also a basic understanding of human psychology and how drugs and addiction influences people.

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show me your proof.

i use drugs every day. i also have a high-paying job, friends, family. i pay my taxes, and participate in the community. i know lots of other people who live similar lifestyles.

the question is, why aren't drugs destroying us? why hasn't colorado burnt to the ground? or portugal for that matter?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/05/why-h...

https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decr...

https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-...

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/revenue/colorado-marijuana-...

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[citation needed] you are positing something that you have no proof of. what we do know is that the war on drugs is damaging to society. we also know that decriminalization worked for Portugal. where is your proof? i want to be free. i don't want you or anyone else to have the power to dictate my (or anyone's) behavior.

I think your attitude is rather childish. Your assumptions are not knowledge. Also, your concept of freedom seems rather misplaced. Everyone already does dictate your behavior. If you think otherwise, you are not thinking hard enough.

i know people try to dictate my behavior, but i can always find the courage to rebel. :)

have some data:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/dcf/duc.cfm

http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_239505_EN_T...

decriminalization works. punishing users doesn't.

if you want to do something about drugs, treat the addiction. fund rehab programs. see them as people with a medical issue, rather than morally corrupt individuals.

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I was a little brat as well. Lot's of tantrums. My parents punished me (probably not enough). My grandma once said: "how old are you?" This works. Nobody ever gave me drugs. I don't think it is ideal to give kids weed (I'm an adult who can barely handle weed). It is linked with psychiatric problems. That's not anti-drug propaganda, that's a fact. All that said, I don't think this is any worse than giving a kid ritali…

Did you also undergo multiple surgeries on your spinal cord as an infant, have a chronic pain condition and severe autism like the child in the article?

No, and in fact I did not really read the article. Point taken.
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