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Re: Brew commands send data to Google Analytics

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Post by mrob »

hk__2 wrote: post #269
mrob wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian's popularity contest package gets it right. You're asked once during installation, with the default being to decline. If you keep choosing "next" without reading or thinking you get a working installation with your privacy intact, and it never bothers you again.

Debian's popularity contest package is completely biased and nobody uses it as a serious source. You can’t expect to have reliable data with opt-in.

It's used for bug triage, so I don't think bias is a problem. The bias is rewarding people who opted in by increasing the chance bugs in their software will be fixed.

Re: Brew commands send data to Google Analytics

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Post by adrianlmm »

pvinis wrote: post #19

Yes we know. brew tells you that. And you can disable it. Data is being sent to Google everytime you do almost anything in almost all websites, using the same technology. So what? Some of the times it's to make the product better, or better targeted. Some other times it's just for spying on the users. Let's stop complaining about stuff that someone does and tell you they do it. There are many more that do the same th…

And why not make it opt in instead of the contrary?

Re: Brew commands send data to Google Analytics

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Post by Tepix »

mikemcquaid wrote: post #244
pvinis wrote: post #19

Yes we know. brew tells you that. And you can disable it. Data is being sent to Google everytime you do almost anything in almost all websites, using the same technology. So what? Some of the times it's to make the product better, or better targeted. Some other times it's just for spying on the users. Let's stop complaining about stuff that someone does and tell you they do it. There are many more that do the same th…

> Some of the times it's to make the product better, or better targeted. Homebrew lead maintainer here. This is exactly why we do it. To repeat myself from below: we're chronically understaffed and underfunded. > Furthermore, now that you know, for brew specifically, will you opt out? It's worth noting: if everyone who uses a niche piece of software opt-out when it breaks we'll look at our analytics and likely remove…

Does it have to be Google, the company that already sucks up the most information about pretty much everyone on the internet? Why don't you send the data to your own machines?

Re: Brew commands send data to Google Analytics

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Post by aclsid »

pvinis wrote: post #19

Yes we know. brew tells you that. And you can disable it. Data is being sent to Google everytime you do almost anything in almost all websites, using the same technology. So what? Some of the times it's to make the product better, or better targeted. Some other times it's just for spying on the users. Let's stop complaining about stuff that someone does and tell you they do it. There are many more that do the same th…

It takes almost zero effort to implement Piwik instead of giving all your data to Google. A simple donate button will take care of the costs of a $15 per month shared server for this purpose.

Really that is all it takes. Everything else just goes against the fundamentals of open source software, which is, respect user rights.

Re: Brew commands send data to Google Analytics

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Post by Tepix »

wodenokoto wrote: post #84
Tepix wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There you have it. Stop claiming there is a "prompt". It's the same as the "3rd party cookies enabled by default" setting on Firefox. It's the wrong default if you really care about your user's privacy as Firefox claims to do. It's hard to even find the setting unless you know where it is. And it's Google who is paying so it stays the way it is and patches that change it are rejected.

It is not Google paying for 3rd party cookies. Firefox tried to change it and it became a publicity disaster for them. Suddenly they were met with headlines like "Mozilla/Firefox hates small business owners" and they are simply not capable of handling a publicity attack (remember the whole CEO thing?) and they caved in.

Proof? Safari has 3rd party cookies disabled by default and I don't hear any complaints.

The number of sites that don't work without 3rd party cookies enabled is very small and from my point of view they are plain broken.

Re: Brew commands send data to Google Analytics

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Post by sangnoir »

CJefferson wrote: post #191
majewsky wrote: post #154

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I can totally see the benefits of telemetry. But it would be way less phishy if it were opt-in, or at least opt-out with a very visible information message.

The problem with this is, do you want every program you ever use, to start prompting you with a series of questions about various opt-in / opt-out questions? I get annoyed enough that gnu parallel keeps asking me about citing it, and that's one program. Bash would like to record analyitics. y/n/more information > y > ls *.c ls would like to record information about how you use it. y/n/more information. > y file1.c fi…

Lol, reminds me of what macOS did[1] to me after a recent upgrade:

  $ git pull

  (long wait)

  ^c

  $ git pull

  (got distracted and had to leave keyboard for a bit)

  Can't execute program until you accept xcode license
I couldn't believe it.

1. paraphrasing the words

Re: Brew commands send data to Google Analytics

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Post by andrewguenther »

Chris2048 wrote: post #150
mikemcquaid wrote: post #118

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> Looking at the website one of homebrew's developers (or at least the website developers) is based over here in Europe. He might be a nice target if you want to raise a stink and litigate. Homebrew lead maintainer here. We're chronically understaffed and underfunded. We have analytics so we can make Homebrew better by figuring out how to prioritise security, maintenance and bug fixes on packages based on how much th…

How does the status of the project, or your personal affairs, affect design decisions?

A well funded, well staffed project looks very different than an under staffed, under funded one. They have to make harder decisions about what work to prioritize. I think what Mike is saying just emphasizes why they made this choice. What little work is able to be put into homebrew needs to be as targeted and helpful as possible. Analytics help then do that.

So to answer your question, the status of the project and his personal affairs have a huge impact on design decisions.

Re: Brew commands send data to Google Analytics

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Post by fs111 »

pvinis wrote: post #19

Yes we know. brew tells you that. And you can disable it. Data is being sent to Google everytime you do almost anything in almost all websites, using the same technology. So what? Some of the times it's to make the product better, or better targeted. Some other times it's just for spying on the users. Let's stop complaining about stuff that someone does and tell you they do it. There are many more that do the same th…

> Data is being sent to Google everytime you do almost anything in almost all websites, using the same technology. So what?

not on browsers I control

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