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Do we know what the guy that called Apple actually said? Just imagine if I called Google and told them I had a lost Nexus One.
Exactly. Apple tech support isn't a lost and found. They have no training or directive to reunite lost phones with their owners.
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Since 37prime doesn't have any evidence to prove the finder was lying about repeatedly attempting to return the phone to Apple, I'd like to assume he's not. Lest, you know, someone make a similar accusation about either: - me - you - 37prime sometime in the future. This is one of the basis' upon which society works.
I don't have any evidence one way or the other. I did not accuse anyone of anything. At this point everything is hearsay. The fact is that the finder of the iPhone Prototype "sold" the property that never belonged to him to Gizmodo.
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No, like all humans, they're self interested. They just want to be seen to do a good job protecting one of the states biggest earning and most well known companies in a high profile case. I personally also pay more attention and go beyond the call for higher profile projects. That doesn't mean I'm involved in some kind of conspiracy.
It's one thing to suggest that the police will pay greater attention to high profile cases (with which I'd agree), and quite another thing to imply that the raid happened because Apple requested it. Beyond that, could you point out the source of your assertion that Apple requested this? I missed it in the article, and that's the conspiracy you've raised.
I'm not sure what the alternative would be.
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If these secrets are so valuable maybe Apple should rethink its policy of letting them walk out the door to go to a bar.
Okay, this type of reasoning really is starting to get to me. You aren't the first to mention it in this thread, but it is wrong. Let me ask you this: if you are designing a phone , how else would you test it? You have to take it out into the real world and test it in real world situations. They gave it to a trusted employee and disguised it as much as they could. And the guy lost it. It's a known risk and it happens…
Like going out drinking and not paying (very) close attention to its whereabouts at all times?
A surprisingly easy way to get a phone back is to text-message that phone and say, "If you find this phone, please call this Number: XXXXXXX Thanks!". It's worked for me twice, I don't know how many people do this simple step after loosing a phone.
How many unreleased iPhones have you lost and gotten returned using this method? I think the person who found the lost phone knew exactly who it belonged to, but decided to resell it for $5000 instead of returning it.
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I think you should have sought remedy in the civil courts. For $20 (or whatever), you probably could have at least gotten a default judgment against the guy and sold the case to a collection agency.
I never got the information on the guy. The store owner refused to give it to me. Basically once I and the store owner realized what happened, the owner called the cops and worked with them directly. They took the DVDs (and presumably a copy of the driver's license). I asked the store owner several times if I could get the driver's license as well, and he refused. And I can't blame him. Given the situation, I'd have…
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Do you really know if this is a fact or just hearsay? I bet you don't.
They clearly knew the engineer's name and information, since they went ahead and posted it on their website. So they could have easily tried to contact him and return it.
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I don't have any evidence one way or the other. I did not accuse anyone of anything. At this point everything is hearsay. The fact is that the finder of the iPhone Prototype "sold" the property that never belonged to him to Gizmodo.
In most places, if the owner doesn't collect it, the item does indeed belong to you.
The words of the finder was published by none other than Gizmodo, who definitely has everything to gain if the statements were true. That's conflict of interest.
To cite some others who had found this specific California Law: California law regulates what you can do when you find lost property in the state. Section 2080 of the Civil Code provides that any person who finds and takes charge of a lost item acts as "a depositary for the owner." If the true owner is known, the finder must notify him/her/it within a reasonable time and "make restitution without compensation, except a reasonable charge for saving and taking care of the property."
Now, where was the name dropping by Gizmodo came from? The finder of the phone claimed that the phoned was "remotely bricked" the day after. Certainly someone knew who the phone was assigned to.
Those are the facts.
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We already protect one and not the other. If the seller had only provided Gizmodo with the information they published (photos, teardowns, etc.) instead of the phone itself, Gizmodo probably wouldn't be in any legal trouble and the seller's identity would likely be protected by the shield laws.
Yeah I think they were pretty dumb to disclose all of the details of the story, they should have just taken it apart, taken their pictures, given it back to the seller and washed their hands of it. Telling everyone how they got it, who it came from, how much they paid etc is only going to get them into trouble. On the other hand, with the police knocking down his door, at least it's totally clear it wasn't a fake
No amount of "leaked pictures by an anonymous source" posts could compete with laying down a perfect controversy as Gizmodo did with this story.
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Wonder if sjobs@apple.com with attached pictures would've worked. An honest effort isn't "Oh, we called and employee # 1034434393 was clueless." It's on par with a lost wallet. They had all the information.
Unless you diligently read "the letters from steve jobs", you probably wouldn't even know he answers emails. Though, I upvote you, because all this time, I thought it was steve.jobs@apple.com :/