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Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Having a third party host Reddit's images gave away a bunch of control to the point that imgur has its own community based upon the site . At the time Reddit didn't have the resources to make a competitor but this seems to be a good move now that imgur is doing dark patterns.

>>> to the point that imgur has its own community based upon the site

The interesting thing is there are a ton of people who are on Imgur that have no idea Reddit exists and vice versa. A lot of people on Reddit have no idea Imgur has its own thriving community.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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post #162

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Good point! I distinctly recall Imgur being started because it was one of those "this used to be something hard, but now Moore's law has made it easy" services. Imgur could afford to allow hotlinking because actually serving images had become a trivial cost. Because no other image-host had capitalized on this, Imgur cleaned up—for a while. Once people started shifting to sharing content mostly as really-inefficiently…

Any modern browser visiting imgur gets H.264/WebM instead of the uncompressed gif. They introduced this 2.5 years ago. After a couple smaller gif only sites made the practice popular. https://blog.imgur.com/2014/10/09/introducing-gifv/

No it started when 4chan allowed WebM

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Imgur forgot its roots as a dumb image host, rapidly crufting-up its service with things that were not only annoying but interfering with its basic function . If you can’t easily see an image as soon as you click on it — on mobile or otherwise — then the image service has completely failed. The sad thing is, they could have added non-intrusive ads. DaringFireball does it; write a single line of text such as “This ima…

"Daring Fireball does it" has to be the worst possible comparison imaginable. Gruber has super differentiated, high editorial value content that folks will pay a premium to put their message next to. Imgur is about as far away from that as possible. They have to try to make money, it's crazy to sit here and think you know better than they do on this. Don't you think if they could make enough money doing what you think, they would do that instead? They are in a tough industry. They host images (relatively expensive), they have almost no user information for targeting, most visitors never come back to a page again, and most of the content posted is super low value. Unfortunately, this is the result.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#284

Imgur forgot its roots as a dumb image host, rapidly crufting-up its service with things that were not only annoying but interfering with its basic function . If you can’t easily see an image as soon as you click on it — on mobile or otherwise — then the image service has completely failed. The sad thing is, they could have added non-intrusive ads. DaringFireball does it; write a single line of text such as “This ima…

Another narrative is that Imgur got tired of its roots and created their own community, that for some people was better than Reddit in more or less any conceivable way.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#285

Imgur forgot its roots as a dumb image host, rapidly crufting-up its service with things that were not only annoying but interfering with its basic function . If you can’t easily see an image as soon as you click on it — on mobile or otherwise — then the image service has completely failed. The sad thing is, they could have added non-intrusive ads. DaringFireball does it; write a single line of text such as “This ima…

>Imgur forgot its roots as a dumb image host

I think they are just the most recent organization to figure out that there's no viable standalone business model in "dumb image host".

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#286

Looks like it's backed by S3 x-amz-storage-class: REDUCED_REDUNDANCY Content-Type: image/jpeg Server: AmazonS3 Can't imagine that AWS bill...

According to Reddit's source code they're using a provider called Imgix - https://www.imgix.com/ - who I assume use S3.

Who in turn look like they're using fastly for their cdn judging by them sharing the exact same pops.

(Guessing they use the fastly private cdn or have some sort of deal with them considering the imgix branded cages on their blog).

https://docs.imgix.com/guides/cdn-guidelines

https://www.fastly.com/network-map

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#287

Imgur forgot its roots as a dumb image host, rapidly crufting-up its service with things that were not only annoying but interfering with its basic function . If you can’t easily see an image as soon as you click on it — on mobile or otherwise — then the image service has completely failed. The sad thing is, they could have added non-intrusive ads. DaringFireball does it; write a single line of text such as “This ima…

Imgur was able to pivot from a simple image hosting service to a standalone community. Many people browse imgur every day without ever having visited reddit. That's no small feat, and definitely much easier to monetize than dumb image host.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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post #222

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I just disagree with your definition of dark pattern then

It is not mine, it is the definition. Have a look at http://darkpatterns.org/ , the video and the library, to see how it is defined.

I think that was his point, different people can define the same word in multiple ways. Just because you/your favourite source says one thing, doesn't mean everyone else agrees, for better or worse.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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post #150

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Is that really cheaper than S3, though?

Even at Amazon's cheapest posted bandwidth tier you're paying $50+ per terabyte for bandwidth. Any dedicated hosting company (OVH, Hetzner, etc...) will cost less than 3% of that (and that's on the high end). Bandwidth is cheap, but AWS marks it up roughly 30x-50x what you'd pay in a dedicated environment.

But you don't have to store and serve all the content from Amazon or your own platform. You can easily set up aggressive caching, in a network you control, backed by S3.

And you pay premium for premium bandwidth. You can't just assume that all your users will have a good experience if you buy hardware and bandwidth from the cheapest providers around.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just disagree with your definition of dark pattern then

It is not mine, it is the definition. Have a look at http://darkpatterns.org/ , the video and the library, to see how it is defined.

Masters degrees, card carrying, secret-handshake knowing designer here. I remember when the notion of dark patterns was first discussed and differentiated from anti-patterns and I think this current discussion is quite ironic.

It's ironic because it is hinging on a narrowly constrained definition of "user interface" design - one that has been appropriated by web/app designers in recent years. UI goes well beyond what is IN the browser window. Discussion of user interfaces occurred before they were graphical user interfaces, well before they were web browsers. So for a discussion that hinged on the idea of the misappropriation of terms, this scores high for irony, IMHO.

SO, now that we're clear on the idea UI's can include many things, it's also clear that the URL and the items return based on the url requested absolutely fall under the notion of UI. And, this is most definitely an example of UI manipulation to create unexpected and negative results for the user to the benefit of the website.

Additionally I should point out, the whole notion of interaction design once meant something much broader than digital interfaces - as an easy example, look at Don Norman's early work and you'll see that interaction and interfaces go well beyond windowed interfaces or even digital interfaces.

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