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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by malandrew »

Absentinsomniac wrote: post #182
mjbh7k wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been seeing this discussion a lot lately, particularly in the publishing world. 79% of editors are white and 78% are women [1], so the statement has validity at least when talking about the gatekeepers of what stories get to be told. Marlon James recently posted about his experiences with it [2] and many writers of color have since shared similar experiences. My take is that it's not "us vs them", but a need to…

OK, but like 63% of the U.S consists of whites. If it were an even distribution it would be disproportionate. Whites are somewhat over represented based on your numbers, but not as much as you seem to imply.

Furthermore, the distribution of race is not equal across the US and very very few people move further than 500 miles away from where their parents lived. The racial makeup you should expect in a company (or geographically focused industry) should be approximate that of the state and neighboring states in which that company is located (or that industry is concentrated).

US Census Quick Facts Data Sheet by State: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/index.html

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by baq »

speeder wrote: post #243
ta140604 wrote: post #119

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It's becoming the norm in some communities. For example, Mozilla/Rust has a lot of people like that, and one of the core team members has contributed to #hnwatch Twitter tag linked below. People from that circle were proposing the idea of creating 'black lists' to make people unemployable for political reasons; they managed to get Brendan Eich expelled from Mozilla; they're pushing for "Codes of conducts", which agai…

I have on my Facebook lots of feminist friends. One thing they frequently claim, is that they are NOT censoring anything, people are free to do whatever they want. Yet they keep pushing for this behaviour (black listing people that disagree with feminism, nagging companies until they decide to not launch products in some markets because fear of feminist backlash, and so on). I honestly don't see how they don't notice…

censorship has a very strict definition, so they may be right in a way.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by DasIch »

douche wrote: post #236
DasIch wrote: post #225

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White women make progress towards equality faster than any other group that's being discriminated. The argument is that instead of focusing on the core issue that discrimination is inherently bad and needs to be fought against, white women put the focus specifically on them. This means other groups are ignored until white women have achieved their goals until a new conversation can be started. I'm not sure whether ot…

That seems to be humanity in a nutshell - fuck you, got mine. Most of us are not altruistic enough to put other people ahead of us and ours. Self > family > clan > tribe > race > everybody else. However you choose to segment your identity up and what characteristics you base it upon, that's generally the hierarchy of fucks you give about other people.

That's a problem that needs to called attention to, critizied and addressed but not accepted.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by hartpuff »

moistgorilla wrote: post #239
[deleted] wrote: post #204

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What are you even saying with this comment?

He's talking about the Nazis, the go to reference for people clueless about Germany who lack any ability to have a serious discussion. He's a clown.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by tosseraccount »

DannyBee wrote: post #83
tosseraccount wrote: post #55

"top lawyer, Julio Avalos, 'has amassed great power' in the company" It's often not a good sign when the top engineers or star salesmen aren't running a tech company.

Great power != running the company. It specifically mentions he's taken over corpdev and some other functions Also note that Julio is a very technical guy. Note that what you have seen here is nearly identical to what david drummond did at Google (start as legal, take over some other functions like corpdev) in the early years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Drummond_(Google) It's hard to say this didn't work out…

Who's making the assumptions, counsellor(?) ?

I didn't write the article which is fingering him as the root of the problem.

You say he does "corpdev" and the article clearly points out "development of the corporation" has become a big problem.

I'll take your word on Mr. Drummond, though.

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Post by pwelch »

the_ancient wrote: post #6

I Hope to see GitLab, and other Truly Open Systems, replace GitHub as the go to place for source control

Same here. I like that Gitlab is so open. I hope they continue to grow and more people trust them to host both private and public code.

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Post by timrpeterson »

gedy wrote: post #241

The irony is remote workers are one of the best ways to remove much the physical power politics due to human biology. Size, body language, sexual attraction, etc.

Valuable comment. Also, gender and ethnicity get neutralized when remote employees have text-based conversation, allowing your words to be the focus as they should.

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Post by adamsea »

canistr wrote: post #173

Hold on. Before we make judgment based solely on mentioning race in a slide. I highly recommend reading Nicole Sanchez's full take on the issue here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2015/02/12/wome...

Agreed.

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Post by honestcoyote »

vidarh wrote: post #254
honestcoyote wrote: post #159

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Apparently Reddit is leaking. Tumblr: the scapegoat for everything they don't like.

As a white middle-aged male, Tumblr is the only place I've experienced what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism. It's quite fascinating to see just how vile some of it gets. Of course it is only fascinating to me because I can trivially withdraw from it and not be particularly affected.

My point about Tumblr is that it's a huge site containing a lot of blogs. Seems like half (or over half) is porn. Most of the other half seems dedicated to rabid fanbases of various bits of pop culture. There's some politics like everywhere else on the net, but I have no idea why so many people here, including my downvoters, think it's this despicable bastion of frothy far leftism when that's only a small part of it. Hell, there's a dedicated base of white power blogging on Tumblr but no one ever mentions that.

It's like saying Reddit is nothing but Red Pill / MRA / gamergate types, or HN is nothing more than clueless Valley types. Or that Twitter is nothing but people sending each other 140 character descriptions of lunch. I really hate lazy stereotypes of complex interactions, especially on a place like HN where people should be "native" enough to digital culture to know better.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by djKianoosh »

coderjames wrote: post #263
obelisk_ wrote: post #232

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Well, what are the alternatives? Hosted: Bitbucket, GitLab Self-hosted: GitLab, Gogs None of these come close to GitHub in my experience.

Now you can self-host BitBucket also with BitBucket Server[1]. We're starting a migration to it at my work right now. [1] https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download

bitbucket server (used to be called stash) has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO
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